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Kevin Spacey Accused of Sexual Misconduct by ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Actor

HowardBThiname said:
Did I say that?

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Ummm...

HowardBThiname said:
My point is that the Spacey incident didn't get out of control - Spacey stopped.
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That is exactly what you said. You said the incident "didn't get out of control"... so dry humping a 14 year old counts as "control"? :roll:

Based on what you said it would only be out of control if Spacey actually penetrated the boy.

If you don't want to be accused of normalizing pedophilia then don't ****ing try to characterize dry humping 14 year olds as being "in control".
 
jmotivator said:
Ummm...



That is exactly what you said. You said the incident "didn't get out of control"... so dry humping a 14 year old counts as "control"? :roll:

Based on what you said it would only be out of control if Spacey actually penetrated the boy.

If you don't want to be accused of normalizing pedophilia then don't ****ing try to characterize dry humping 14 year olds as being "in control".
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Do you see what Spacey did as equal to rape?
 
HowardBThiname said:
Do you see what Spacey did as equal to rape?
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Good grief, it's taking all my effort to not break forum rules with you...

HowardBThiname said:
Maybe. Or, perhaps because every glance, word or touch not agreed on by all parties, has come to constitute sexual abuse.

"Making a pass" is now synonymous with sexual harassment and cause for running to the press.
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There you are discussing how you don't want glances and passing touches being categorized as "sexual abuse"

At that point Yankintx rightly pointed out to you that the Spacey accusation went WAY beyond a glance and a touch... to which you idiotically argued that Spacey was "in control" because he stopped... as if it is not sexual abuse if he didn't penetrate to boy.

Now you idiotically try to move the goal post to specifically rape as if everyone doesn't already see what you tried to do.

No, Spacey was NOT in control. "In control" would be not dry humping the boy in the first place.
 
jmotivator said:
Good grief, it's taking all my effort to not break forum rules with you...
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No need to break forum rules -- just answer the question instead of deflecting.

[qutoe]There you are discussing how you don't want glances and passing touches being categorized as "sexual abuse"

At that point Yankintx rightly pointed out to you that the Spacey accusation went WAY beyond a glance and a touch... to which you idiotically argued that Spacey was "in control" because he stopped... as if it is not sexual abuse if he didn't penetrate to boy.

Now you idiotically try to move the goal post to specifically rape as if everyone doesn't already see what you tried to do.

No, Spacey was NOT in control. "In control" would be not dry humping the boy in the first place.[/QUOTE]

It appears that Spacey DID retain control, which was why the incident ended. I never said what Spacey did was right - in fact, I said it was wrong - but I said it doesn't rise to the level of needing to be blurted out to the nation via the media.

The difference between what Spacey and rape is similar to the difference between peeling a hangnail off and severing a finger.

It would behoove all of us to realize the difference.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Spacey shouldn't have done it, but he apologized. How often do you think this identical scene is repeated at parties with male/female participants? Probably every weekend in just about every town in the nation. Or, more frequently even.

The point is that Spacey didn't force the kid to do anything -- that's always the point. When the other person says stop, it means stop. It's those times when someone doesn't stop that are the problem.

My point is that the Spacey incident didn't get out of control - Spacey stopped.

I see the whole incident as a non-story. Certainly not worth running to the media over.
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He committed sexual assault. Someone doesn't have to be raped before being grabbed, groped, or humped constitutes a problem.
 
I'm not sure some folks in this thread realize exactly how much they are telling us about their own behavior by the justifications they offer for Spacey and others.
 
HowardBThiname said:
So, do you believe that every grab and grope should be reported to the media?
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I believe that when a powerful hollywood actor has sexually assaulted a 14 year old, that's certainly newsworthy.

The real question is--why don't you?
 
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pillars said:
I believe that when a powerful hollywood actor has sexually assaulted a 14 year old, that's certainly newsworthy.

The real question is--why don't you?
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Doesn't sound like sexual assault to me. But, if that is newsworthy, why not insist that the thousands of kids who go to parties weekly and get groped announce it in their own local newspapers?

Is it less important if the groper isn't famous? What the heck?
 
HowardBThiname said:
Doesn't sound like sexual assault to me. But, if that is newsworthy, why not insist that the thousands of kids who go to parties weekly and get groped announce it in their own local newspapers?

Is it less important if the groper isn't famous? What the heck?
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In my opinion, it's always newsworthy if kids in their teens get groped by adults, because that groping is felony sexual assault.

If it wasn't a big deal, it wouldn't be a felony.

At the very least, mention of the charges should be in the local newspaper (and usually is).
 
pillars said:
In my opinion, it's always newsworthy if kids in their teens get groped by adults, because that groping is felony sexual assault.

If it wasn't a big deal, it wouldn't be a felony.

At the very least, mention of the charges should be in the local newspaper (and usually is).
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If it's actual pedophilia it should be (and usually is) charged and in the newspaper.

My grandmother (and probably the grandparents of many here) was 15 when she married my grandfather who was 22 at the time. Was my grandfather a pedophile? Was their wedding night, and every time they had sex until she turned 16 "sexual assault?" She always told us how happy she was to have "caught" our grandfather. Was she lying?
 
HowardBThiname said:
If it's actual pedophilia it should be (and usually is) charged and in the newspaper.

My grandmother (and probably the grandparents of many here) was 15 when she married my grandfather who was 22 at the time. Was my grandfather a pedophile? Was their wedding night, and every time they had sex until she turned 16 "sexual assault?" She always told us how happy she was to have "caught" our grandfather. Was she lying?
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A 26 year old humping a 14 year old is pedophilia.

I hesitate to comment on your grandparents' marriage, and in light of the fact that we are anonymous on the internet, I'm not sure that it matters.
 
HowardBThiname said:
If it's actual pedophilia it should be (and usually is) charged and in the newspaper.

My grandmother (and probably the grandparents of many here) was 15 when she married my grandfather who was 22 at the time. Was my grandfather a pedophile? Was their wedding night, and every time they had sex until she turned 16 "sexual assault?" She always told us how happy she was to have "caught" our grandfather. Was she lying?
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Your 15 year old daughter brings home her new boyfriend. He's 22 and they've been having sex. How would you respond?
 
Deuce said:
Your 15 year old daughter brings home her new boyfriend. He's 22 and they've been having sex. How would you respond?
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Thats different because some girls mature quicker then other girls, plus there might romance involved, unlike Spacey who was a predator and wanted to f__ck a 14-year old.

If you can't see the difference, then you need help, sorry
 
pillars said:
A 26 year old humping a 14 year old is pedophilia.

I hesitate to comment on your grandparents' marriage, and in light of the fact that we are anonymous on the internet, I'm not sure that it matters.
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Actually the definition of "pedophilia" is the "exclusive" attraction to young children of either sex. Spacey would only qualify if he was not attracted to older males, but, it appears he was/is, and, given the fact that he was drunk, the kid was in his bedroom when he walked in, and Spacey didn't "touch" any private parts on the kid, and stopped when asked to stop, he probably wouldn't qualify.
 
Deuce said:
Your 15 year old daughter brings home her new boyfriend. He's 22 and they've been having sex. How would you respond?
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I'd drag him out of there by his ear and pay a visit to his parents. If they'd just been making out -- no sex -- I'd just run him off.

I wouldn't report his name to the newspaper, however.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Actually the definition of "pedophilia" is the "exclusive" attraction to young children of either sex. Spacey would only qualify if he was not attracted to older males, but, it appears he was/is, and, given the fact that he was drunk, the kid was in his bedroom when he walked in, and Spacey didn't "touch" any private parts on the kid, and stopped when asked to stop, he probably wouldn't qualify.
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He humped the kid in question, which involves touching the young man WITH HIS GENITALS. Ugh.
 
Deuce said:
Your 15 year old daughter brings home her new boyfriend. He's 22 and they've been having sex. How would you respond?
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This is statutory rape.
 
pillars said:
He humped the kid in question, which involves touching the young man with his genitals.
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I read that neither one disrobed and that the kid didn't say no for a few minutes. When he did -- Spacey stopped. That's according to the kid -- Spacey says he doesn't remember it at all.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I read that neither one disrobed and that the kid didn't say no for a few minutes. When he did -- Spacey stopped. That's according to the kid -- Spacey says he doesn't remember it at all.
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It doesn't matter that Spacey stopped. It doesn't matter that they weren't naked. By the definition of most state laws, he sexually assaulted a 14 year old.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Spacey shouldn't have done it, but he apologized. How often do you think this identical scene is repeated at parties with male/female participants? Probably every weekend in just about every town in the nation. Or, more frequently even.

The point is that Spacey didn't force the kid to do anything -- that's always the point. When the other person says stop, it means stop. It's those times when someone doesn't stop that are the problem.

My point is that the Spacey incident didn't get out of control - Spacey stopped.

I see the whole incident as a non-story. Certainly not worth running to the media over.
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The kid was 14 !!! Underage in all 50 States. The kid was at a Hollywood party unsupervised, were are his parents. No way would I let my son or daughter attend one of those parties. Elija Wood has stated the perverts run unchecked in Hollywood, his parents occumpanied the young man EVERYWERE !! Smart parents !!
 
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