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Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis in Custody Contempt of Court Over SSM license [W:681*1928**]

Re: Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis in Custody for Contempt of Court Over Same-Sex Marriage

haymarket said:
When you accept money to do a job and then refuse to do it, that is fundamentally wrong. When it is the PEOPLE who are paying you to do that government job and you refuse to do it, that is grounds for your removal from that position.
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If issuing marriage licenses were the sum total of her job you might have a point. However, even assuming it is grounds for her removal, the methods for removal are already established in law. None of them include holding her in contempt of court and jailing her. There are only two methods available, the public votes her out or the legislature does.
 
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prometeus said:
That is because the rights of others can not be suspended for the sake of some process.
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so according to you, someone being able to get a marriage license is more important than due process?

really?
 
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Logicman said:
Unrelated my butt. It clearly demonstrates the liberal's hypocrisy.

So I ask again, when are you people going to be consistent and start arresting mayors and/or sheriffs of unlawful sanctuary cities??
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Repeating ignorant stupid question does not lend validity to them or make them relevant.
 
Re: Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis in Custody for Contempt of Court Over SSM license [W:681

CanadaJohn said:
Firstly, resigning an elected office you won prior to the duties of the office changing rather than having your religious beliefs accommodated by the State that governs you would also be coercion - a stiff penalty imposed for non-compliance.
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Resigning because you can no longer perform the duties of your position is "coercion" but openly using your office to discriminate against a group of people by refusing to perform a duty for the public that pays your salary is not "coercion"? You sure like to tinker with the definition to suit your feelings of this situation.

Secondly, I doubt very much that this clerk personally signs all marriage licenses - the fact that her name appears on the license is what she's objecting to. Her office authority, in her name, is being used in opposition to her religious beliefs. Perhaps if the State had the Governor's name on all licenses it would accommodate her concerns. But this judge decided he ruled the world and his position rules. He's made a bigger mess than if he had ordered those with the actual authority to rectify the problem.
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The judge is a devout Roman Catholic who openly opposes same sex marriage. He recognized that fines would just be paid by folks like you, and being soft might inspire other clerks to shirk their duties.
 
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Chagos said:
False. Not solved by constant repetition.
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Indeed, that statement characterizes every post you've made on this subject.
 
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gdgyva said:
so according to you, someone being able to get a marriage license is more important than due process?

really?
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There is no issue of due process here.
 
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prometeus said:
You should ease up on whatever you are on...
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So you're claiming that SS couples were free to marry all over the US prior to the legal process that reached the Supreme Court was completed?

And you have the gall to suggest someone else is impaired.
 
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Thorgasm said:
Which commandment says not to sign your name on civil licenses?
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None. But there are many more teachings of the Church and a whole lot more to what is written in the Bible, than just the 10 Commandments. The Bible is an instructional manual on how to live your life....try reading it sometime.

God was very specific about homosexual relations and even at a young age, I knew it was wrong and evil...no one had to tell me that. In observing that kind of behavior, I don't care what so called enlightened shrinks have to say...to me, it's no different than ****ing your sheep or dog.
I view it as a mental disorder...but then...so is liberalism.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Yes, you are wrong. Did labour relations legislation govern how she was handled?

She was jailed for contempt of a court order to perform the duties of her elected office.
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You said I was wrong and then said I was correct that her jailing was indeed for her being in contempt of court. That makes it right and proper.
 
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clownboy said:
If issuing marriage licenses were the sum total of her job you might have a point. However, even assuming it is grounds for her removal, the methods for removal are already established in law. None of them include holding her in contempt of court and jailing her. There are only two methods available, the public votes her out or the legislature does.
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What special legal exemption protects this person from being in contempt of court?
 
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haymarket said:
Her elected office is indeed her JOB. There is no distinction as they are one and the same.

Am in incorrect in that she was held in contempt of court for refusing to do her job that she was elected to and that placing her in jail was a proper remedy for such a violation?
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An elected office is a position. Flipping burgers is a job.
 
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clownboy said:
I think contempt of court charges are unconstitutional to begin with. The courts do not have this grant of power. Unless the legislatures have written into law the ability of the courts to charge contempt thusly they should not have the power. And even then, they could not jail indefinitely.
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I think clowns are scary, but that doesn't stop the clown industry from existing. Our personal views mean little in and of themselves. As a whole, society disagrees with you on this issue, so you will have to adapt.
 
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prometeus said:
There is no issue of due process here.
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due process for removing her from office

a. the legislation meets, and recalls her

b. she is voted out of office

c. she is charged with a crime by her state, prosecuted, convicted, and removed from office

which of those three have occurred?
 
Re: Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis in Custody for Contempt of Court Over SSM license [W:681

CriticalThought said:
Resigning because you can no longer perform the duties of your position is "coercion" but openly using your office to discriminate against a group of people by refusing to perform a duty for the public that pays your salary is not "coercion"? You sure like to tinker with the definition to suit your feelings of this situation.



The judge is a devout Roman Catholic who openly opposes same sex marriage. He recognized that fines would just be paid by folks like you, and being soft might inspire other clerks to shirk their duties.
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Again, I have no idea why you persist in assigning her religious beliefs to me. I have no intention or desire to pay her fines. And it's not a matter of being soft, it's a matter of respecting the legal process that exists in these circumstances - the judge didn't do that.

As for his religious affiliation, it's irrelevant to me but clearly you've got a hard-on for anyone remotely a person of faith.
 
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JasperL said:
LOL, nothing like riling up the anti-SSM element to try and crack into double figures in the polls. In Paul and Jindal's case, they love to get to 5%.
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Actually it isn't anti SSM, but rather pro religious liberties. You know the very first things listed in the very first Amendment? None of this would have ever happened if Davis would have found religious accommodations. I read where something as simple as permitting a notary on duty that has no religious convictions over SSM have authority to issue/sign the license would have solved the problem. But no it resulted in Davis being jailed. Is this the first time a Christian woman has been jailed for living her faith in this country?
 
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haymarket said:
You said I was wrong and then said I was correct that her jailing was indeed for her being in contempt of court. That makes it right and proper.
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Sorry, I didn't realize you could only comprehend the last thought you read. I'll try to remember to post single sentences from now on.
 
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haymarket said:
What special legal exemption protects this person from being in contempt of court?
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none

the judge had every right to hold her in contempt

and to jail her or fine her

no one is disputing that
 
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gdgyva said:
none

the judge had every right to hold her in contempt

and to jail her or fine her

no one is disputing that
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Multiple concepts in a single thread are apparently quite challenging for some.
 
Re: Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis in Custody for Contempt of Court Over Same-Sex Marriage

haymarket said:
What special legal exemption protects this person from being in contempt of court?
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None. But that may not be used to remove her from her office, not even temporarily. The only way she can be removed from office is by impeachment by the people or impeachment by the legislature. She remains the County Clerk with full authority of such even within her jail cell.
 
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vesper said:
Actually it isn't anti SSM, but rather pro religious liberties. You know the very first things listed in the very first Amendment? None of this would have ever happened if Davis would have found religious accommodations. I read where something as simple as permitting a notary on duty that has no religious convictions over SSM have authority to issue/sign the license would have solved the problem. But no it resulted in Davis being jailed. Is this the first time a Christian woman has been jailed for living her faith in this country?
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Honest people dont by that lie, since religious liberty, rights and freedoms factually haven't been changed by SSM the rest of that dishonest fantasy story completely fails.
Fact remains NOBODY was jailed for living her faith in this country on this issue and you repeating that lie just shows the forum ow dishonest your posts are. Please keep reposting that lie but if you want anybody to take you seriously youll have to provide somethign called proof an facts which you have none.
 
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gdgyva said:
none

the judge had every right to hold her in contempt

and to jail her or fine her

no one is disputing that
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His use of contempt is lazy and shadey, and I think Americans need protection from it. Sticking her in jail instead of finding a way for her to do her job, accommodating her religous hangups, or getting her fired makes the judge even worse than her. And all the gays applauding her jailing are worse than hypocrites.
 
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Texmex said:
I think clowns are scary, but that doesn't stop the clown industry from existing. Our personal views mean little in and of themselves. As a whole, society disagrees with you on this issue, so you will have to adapt.
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I doubt very much that society in general knows enough about the specious foundation of contempt of court to give a rip either way.
 
Re: Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis in Custody for Contempt of Court Over SSM license [W:681

CanadaJohn said:
Again, I have no idea why you persist in assigning her religious beliefs to me. I have no intention or desire to pay her fines. And it's not a matter of being soft, it's a matter of respecting the legal process that exists in these circumstances - the judge didn't do that.

As for his religious affiliation, it's irrelevant to me but clearly you've got a hard-on for anyone remotely a person of faith.
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Meh, I just find it funny you care so little for the rights of these same sex couples. They likely belong to churches that affirm same-sex marriage and have religious beliefs that affirm it as well. And yet this clerk, as an agent of the government, in your mind has some right to establish her religion within her official capacity as a representative of the state and to interfere in the practice of the religious beliefs of these same sex couples as they seek to marry. And yet, it is the judge who seeks to protect that couple's rights who is the tyrant.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Meh, I just find it funny you care so little for the rights of these same sex couples. They likely belong to churches that affirm same-sex marriage and have religious beliefs that affirm it as well. And yet this clerk, as an agent of the government, in your mind has some right to establish her religion within her official capacity as a representative of the state and to interfere in the practice of the religious beliefs of these same sex couples as they seek to marry. And yet, it is the judge who seeks to protect that couple's rights who is the tyrant.
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You couldn't be more wrong about my opinion of the underlying issues of this matter. I guess you haven't been following this thread.

I've stated I think the clerk is wrong but that I'm interested in the legal process and the possible fall out from it.

I do, however, believe that the State should have been allowed to deal with it under their legal process and if they failed to do so or it wasn't solved, the State would be held in contempt.
 
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