Kavanaugh confirmation

[TurtleDude]

No. Judges have to be even-tempered to be effective in their jobs. Anyone who's been in an actual courtroom can see this.

LOL edify me to your time in actual courtrooms. People who practice appellate law have given Judge Kavanaugh high praise. He voted with your Saint Merrick 90% or more of the time. Your claims merit four Pinocchios

 

[celticwar17]

So much bull.

He was not accused of raping anyone, he was accused of assault as a 17 year old. From the description of the assault it's even likely that he would not have viewed it as such.

The country is bigger than any one persons career. SCOTUS is an institution of 9 people. Anyone up for that position should understand the gravitas of the office and the importance of seeming to be nonpartisan.

And 80% of the guys on this forum would have done better. (I'm not sure how well the 20% that have committed similar or worse sexual assault would have done)

Like this is even an important detail for my statement, i'll even edit it if you thinks it makes a big difference... but Ford's statement said she feared for her life. She said that she feared he was trying to rape her, and said he DID sexually assault her.

 

[Exactice]

So much bull.

He was not accused of raping anyone, he was accused of assault as a 17 year old. From the description of the assault it's even likely that he would not have viewed it as such.

The country is bigger than any one persons career. SCOTUS is an institution of 9 people. Anyone up for that position should understand the gravitas of the office and the importance of seeming to be nonpartisan.

And 80% of the guys on this forum would have done better. (I'm not sure how well the 20% that have committed similar or worse sexual assault would have done)

Wait what? he is not accused of rape? In ford's testimony yesterday she said she thought that he was going to rape her, that is an accusation.

The crazy Avanatti lady claimed he participated in a rape train..... YES he was slandered....... that freaking crazy......

 

[Greenbeard]

The man was possibly falsely accused of raping someone on a national stage and hasn't been able to defend himself for 10 long days....

Didn't he go on FoxNews to defend himself?

 

[jimbo]

and I have been in enough courtrooms to see judges who should be committed to mental institutions, not sitting in judgement on anyone or anything.

To ya'll who are lamely questioning Kavanaugh's demeanor yesterday, let's accuse you of rape and being some kind of monster and destroy your career and reputation...let's see how "evenly" you handle it. Afterward we'll nominate you for sainthood...if you are not imprisoned for assault.

I think Kavanaugh could have handled it better. That does not mean I don't think he's qualified or should not be seated. Yes to both, and he will be.

The question of incompetent judges is a different issue and doesn't apply here. I'm pointing out that IMO the left took a massive political gamble, and lost. I think it will come back to haunt them for decades.

 

[Gaius46]

No. After watching him I don’t think he is ideal for the job, temperament-wise. And he got WAY too partisan. I get it. If I were falsely accused I would probably go on the attack of the party pushing the investigation and saying bad things about me. But I too wouldn’t have the right temperament for the job.

I mean, he’ll manage. I don’t think he is going to have a nervous breakdown during a case or anything like that. It won’t be the end of the word if he takes the seat. I just think there have to be better candidates out there even with the same ideological leanings.

I agree. Experience wise he has the right resume and I am able to overlook his frat boy antics - at least those that he’s copped to - I’m mean I’m just as guilty as the next guy of drinking and partying too much as a young man and turned out to be a fine, responsible, upstanding citizen.

But he seemed to be reading the Trump playbook in many of his responses to Judiciary committee and one Trump that high up the food chain is enough.

Not the end of the world if he’s confirmed but at this stage he should probably take a page from Abe Fortis and voluntarily step aside.

 

[Exactice]

So much bull.

He was not accused of raping anyone, he was accused of assault as a 17 year old. From the description of the assault it's even likely that he would not have viewed it as such.

The country is bigger than any one persons career. SCOTUS is an institution of 9 people. Anyone up for that position should understand the gravitas of the office and the importance of seeming to be nonpartisan.

And 80% of the guys on this forum would have done better. (I'm not sure how well the 20% that have committed similar or worse sexual assault would have done)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nscript/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.89b63e8a5125

Here is the Transcript

"Brett groped me and tried to take off my clothes. He had a hard time, because he was very inebriated, and because I was wearing a one-piece bathing suit underneath my clothing.

I believed he was going to rape me."

Ctrl F, and type rape, came up 13 times multiple times from Ford's Testimony. I waive the BS flag to you

 

[celticwar17]

Didn't he go on FoxNews to defend himself?

What? I was talking about against senate and accusations... Not in the Media. A media interview in not a official defense.

 

[TurtleDude]

"Ford credible," what is your definition of "Credible?"

She was caught in several lies and contradictions.

She offered no evidence and every witness she named contradicted her story, including her best friend.

If Kavenagh had been an alcoholic "Frat Boy from Hell" he would not have been a star athlete and top of his class at every school he ever attended.

He wasn't #1 at Yale but he was in the top 10%. He was 1 or 2 each year at GT Prep which is known as an extremely demanding school. Yale Law doesn't rank its students but his editorship of the Yale Law Journal (something Bill Clinton and Hillary didn't come close to)and being at the top of his class (Yale doesn't give grades for first years-just P/F) puts him at the level one needs to earn a supreme court clerkship.

There is no one on this board that has credentials anywhere near what this guy has when it comes to being a federal judge.

 

[Greenbeard]

Wait? I was talking about against senate and accusations... Not in the Media. A media interview in not a official defense.

You were trying to explain away his belligerent, conspiracy-theory laden screed, weren't you?

 

[TurtleDude]

I've been an expert witness dozens of times in my working career. I learned two basic rules.

It's OK to piss off the opposing lawyer and his client. That often works to your advantage.

It's never OK to piss off the judge, nor a judge you might find yourself before at some point in the future. That never works to your advantage.

dozens of federal jury trials, over a hundred state trials and a couple dozen more federal bench trials

WINNER-you're right. Plus I was the main witness for the prosecution in my mugger's case. I ridiculed his attorney when his attorney tried being an ass. He retaliated and was held in contempt.

 

[Blue Dog]

Mixed feelings on this. How does one gage the demeanor of a person accused of sexual assault. I don’t think anyone can. Kavanaugh is getting excoriated for being too emotional. One argument was that he was fulminating against the Democrats on the Senate for being too partisan. The other which is also a valid surmise is that he is emotionally wrecked for WHAT he is being accused of. Do I think his selection as a nominee has become toxic, yes.

 

[Mithros]

Like this is even an important detail... but Ford's statement said she feared for her life. She said that she feared he was trying to rape her, and said he DID sexually assault her.

She feared that he would accidentally kill her too, that does not mean that he attempted to murder her.

This scenario is ridiculously believable. We watched a 54 year old Kavanaugh take a temper tantrum when he felt something that he was entitled to was being denied to him. Does anyone really doubt that a 17 year old Kavanaugh wouldn't act in a similar way? Does anyone really believe that he's not capable of trying to forcefully make out with a girl? Especially one that's not from one of the real schools like him and his friends, one of those lesser private schools. I mean really, who the hell is she? She should be thankful that someone like Kavanaugh was even taking an interest in her.

 

[TurtleDude]

I agree. Experience wise he has the right resume and I am able to overlook his frat boy antics - at least those that he’s copped to - I’m mean I’m just as guilty as the next guy of drinking and partying too much as a young man and turned out to be a fine, responsible, upstanding citizen.

But he seemed to be reading the Trump playbook in many of his responses to Judiciary committee and one Trump that high up the food chain is enough.

Not the end of the world if he’s confirmed but at this stage he should probably take a page from Abe Fortis and voluntarily step aside.

why hand the Democrats a win and giving them ammo to do this sort of nonsense again.

 

[TurtleDude]

She feared that he would accidentally kill her too, that does not mean that he attempted to murder her.

This scenario is ridiculously believable. We watched a 54 year old Kavanaugh take a temper tantrum when he felt something that he was entitled to was being denied to him. Does anyone really doubt that a 17 year old Kavanaugh wouldn't act in a similar way? Does anyone really believe that he's not capable of trying to forcefully make out with a girl? Especially one that's not from one of the real schools like him and his friends, one of those lesser private schools. I mean really, who the hell is she? She should be thankful that someone like Kavanaugh was even taking an interest in her.

what was the legitimacy of even inquiring about this nonsense that happened when he was a juvenile

 

[Greenbeard]

She feared that he would accidentally kill her too, that does not mean that he attempted to murder her.

This scenario is ridiculously believable. We watched a 54 year old Kavanaugh take a temper tantrum when he felt something that he was entitled to was being denied to him. Does anyone really doubt that a 17 year old Kavanaugh wouldn't act in a similar way? Does anyone really believe that he's not capable of trying to forcefully make out with a girl? Especially one that's not from one of the real schools like him and his friends, one of those lesser private schools. I mean really, who the hell is she? She should be thankful that someone like Kavanaugh was even taking an interest in her.

It takes a special type of guy to work "I don't take no for an answer" into his opening remarks at an inquiry into his attempted rape allegations.

 

[Mithros]

Wait what? he is not accused of rape? In ford's testimony yesterday she said she thought that he was going to rape her, that is an accusation.

The crazy Avanatti lady claimed he participated in a rape train..... YES he was slandered....... that freaking crazy......

Fearing that someone was *GOING* to do something is not an accusation that they *DID* something.

For example.. I'm sure that you're *GOING* to make a intelligent point. But I'm not accusing you of having done so.

 

[celticwar17]

She feared that he would accidentally kill her too, that does not mean that he attempted to murder her.

This scenario is ridiculously believable. We watched a 54 year old Kavanaugh take a temper tantrum when he felt something that he was entitled to was being denied to him. Does anyone really doubt that a 17 year old Kavanaugh wouldn't act in a similar way? Does anyone really believe that he's not capable of trying to forcefully make out with a girl? Especially one that's not from one of the real schools like him and his friends, one of those lesser private schools. I mean really, who the hell is she? She should be thankful that someone like Kavanaugh was even taking an interest in her.

I have nothing to say to you other than.... His response and restraint was almost not human, I cannot imagine how sad, angry, hurt, shamed, defeated he must feel.

of course... if his denial is true. I know there would be a good chance I would be broken.

 

[jimbo]

dozens of federal jury trials, over a hundred state trials and a couple dozen more federal bench trials

WINNER-you're right. Plus I was the main witness for the prosecution in my mugger's case. I ridiculed his attorney when his attorney tried being an ass. He retaliated and was held in contempt.

You piss off the opposing attorney, you become the focus. Not the issue.

 

[Waddy]

Stalinism is alive and well. An indefensible accusation from a neighbor, co-worker or even a stranger gets a person picked up in the middle of the night and hauled off to the gulag or shot. No trial, no court of law. That's what's happening to Kavanaugh. Stalin would be so proud, and he would appreciate the tactics. After all, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. But then again, Stalin's Soviet Union was a scary and dangerous place to live.

 

[iguanaman]

No. After watching him I don’t think he is ideal for the job, temperament-wise. And he got WAY too partisan. I get it. If I were falsely accused I would probably go on the attack of the party pushing the investigation and saying bad things about me. But I too wouldn’t have the right temperament for the job.

I mean, he’ll manage. I don’t think he is going to have a nervous breakdown during a case or anything like that. It won’t be the end of the word if he takes the seat. I just think there have to be better candidates out there even with the same ideological leanings.

He's spent his adult life as a political operative and cut his teeth on the Whitewater investigation of Clinton. He's far to much of a sycophant to have the open mind a judge needs.

 

[Exactice]

Fearing that someone was *GOING* to do something is not an accusation that they *DID* something.

For example.. I'm sure that you're *GOING* to make a intelligent point. But I'm not accusing you of having done so.

Wait what? On national TV you say you that someone was going to rape me that is NOT an accusation?

 

[celticwar17]

You were trying to explain away his belligerent, conspiracy-theory laden screed, weren't you?

There is no doubt that the democrats used this to their political advantage and have tactically prepared this... anyone honest can see that...

I don't know if the woman is in on it... I doubt it. I fear she has either a faulty memory of who the assailant was, or some deeper issues...

That is what I think, but not what I know... No one knows.... that is what the EVIDENCE is pointing to. She lacks a significant amount of details in her story, doesn't know how she got there, how she got back... or even how many people who were there(she contradicted herself on this fact....)
While kavanaugh has statements from all the people who she stated, and all of them reported that they do not recall anything like that happening whatsoever.... and the woman, who was her friend, doesn't recall Kavanaugh whatsoever, and doesn't remember ever being at a party him with at all...

she has absolutely nothing..

 

[Mithros]

I have nothing to say to you other than.... His response and restraint was almost not human, I cannot imagine how sad, angry, hurt, shamed, defeated he must feel.

Do you happen to know many humans? I mean he showed restraint in that he stayed in his seat without any restraints. He was also more restrained than that drunk guy ranting at the bar. But otherwise i fear you're confusing Kavanaugh with a small blonde woman.

Saying that a drunken high school kid fell on top of a girl he was trying to make out with is not exactly the most damning accusation ever made. How about these: Senator Kennedy killed his girlfriend. The Clinton's had their friend Vince Foster murdered. George Bush intentionally caused 9/11, Hillary Clinton ran a child prostitution ring out of a pizza shop. Serious people handle spurious allegations all of the time.

 

[TurtleDude]

He's spent his adult life as a political operative and cut his teeth on the Whitewater investigation of Clinton. He's far to much of a sycophant to have the open mind a judge needs.

you supported RBG for the supreme court I bet
you supported Kagan for the supreme court I bet

unless you say no, you have no credibility in this