Kasich on the clock

[Crovax]

With Jeb dropping out and Carson set to do so on Wednesday, that only leaves one dead weight. Kasich's campaign talks about holding on til mid March when he thinks he can get momentum. Will he really hang on that long finishing a distant 4th in pretty much every state in the SEC primary? He needs to back out now if he really wants the GOP to succeed.

 

[OrphanSlug]

He is probably trying for a VP nod, the question then becomes who will ask him?

 

[Crovax]

He is probably trying for a VP nod, the question then becomes who will ask him?

Unless he is wanting to be Trump's VP then it seems counterintuitive to stay in the race and hurt Cruz and Rubio’s chances.

I don't see him as a VP pick for anyone though

 

[Fiddytree]

I hate to say it, but at this point, the bigger picture shows us he needs to drop, but the man's got too much incentive to stay in the race. Rubio needs to get the elevation needed to knock off Trump and Cruz before it's too late, and it may already be too late. A Rubio/Kasich ticket is a good ticket in this race, but he has to help ensure that it will happen instead of giving Trump enough ammunition to bolt for a 3rd party run or put the whole show in front of Trump or Cruz.

 

[Crovax]

I hate to say it, but at this point, the bigger picture shows us he needs to drop, but the man's got too much incentive to stay in the race. Rubio needs to get the elevation needed to knock off Trump and Cruz before it's too late, and it may already be too late. A Rubio/Kasich ticket is a good ticket in this race, but he has to help ensure that it will happen instead of giving Trump enough ammunition to bolt for a 3rd party run or put the whole show in front of Trump or Cruz.

What incentive? he can't win and if his staying in the race is perceived as making Trump the nominee he is politically dead in the GOP.

 

[Winchester]

With Jeb dropping out and Carson set to do so on Wednesday, that only leaves one dead weight. Kasich's campaign talks about holding on til mid March when he thinks he can get momentum. Will he really hang on that long finishing a distant 4th in pretty much every state in the SEC primary? He needs to back out now if he really wants the GOP to succeed.

He's the last best hope of the GOP succeeding.

 

[MorrisDay]

What incentive? he can't win and if his staying in the race is perceived as making Trump the nominee he is politically dead in the GOP.

There are only two left that I like - Kasich and Rubio. Other than that, you might as well give it back to the Clintons.

 

[Fiddytree]

What incentive? he can't win and if his staying in the race is perceived as making Trump the nominee he is politically dead in the GOP.

I largely agree with you but he's got his best case in the midwest. That's why.

 

[Fiddytree]

There are only two left that I like - Kasich and Rubio. Other than that, you might as well give it back to the Clintons.

Amen.

 

[Crovax]

I largely agree with you but he's got his best case in the midwest. That's why.

Maybe if the midwest didn't come so late, if he holds out till Ohio he's going to lose it and on top of being embarrassed he will be a pariah in the party.

 

[Crovax]

There are only two left that I like - Kasich and Rubio. Other than that, you might as well give it back to the Clintons.

Clinton v Cruz in the general, I'll probably just slit my wrist in the voting booth instead

 

[Fiddytree]

Clinton v Cruz in the general, I'll probably just slit my wrist in the voting booth instead

Ouch.

 

[Fiddytree]

Maybe if the midwest didn't come so late, if he holds out till Ohio he's going to lose it and on top of being embarrassed he will be a pariah in the party.

They are making an incredibly problematic calculation--one that hasn't been successful in decades.

Mr. Kasich’s aim is stay in the mix by performing modestly in South Carolina, Nevada and the March 1 states in the South, and regain momentum as the race moves March 8 to the Michigan primary and March 15 to his native Ohio.

[...]

Republican National Committee rules mean all states with nominating contests before March 15 must award delegates proportionally, making it harder for anyone to emerge from a multicandidate field.

“Our goal is for that day to be a muddled mess,” Mr. Weaver said of March 1. “And it will be.”

http://canmua.net/south-carolina/kasich-looks-beyond-southern-contests-to-place-big-bet-415156.html
Kasich Looks Beyond Southern Contests to Place Big Bet on Midwest Support - WSJ

 

[Helix]

i've thought from the beginning that a Kasich / Rubio ticket would be tough to beat because of simple electoral math. Trump is pretty much Republican suicide, and Cruz is way right of the average voter.

 

[Crovax]

They are making an incredibly problematic calculation--one that hasn't been successful in decades.



http://canmua.net/south-carolina/kasich-looks-beyond-southern-contests-to-place-big-bet-415156.html
Kasich Looks Beyond Southern Contests to Place Big Bet on Midwest Support - WSJ

"Mr. Kasich’s aim is stay in the mix by performing modestly in South Carolina,*"

Well step 1 failed. Maybe he should rethink his plan every loss is going to get worse and worse as supporters look for a candidate who can win.

 

[Crovax]

i've thought from the beginning that a Kasich / Rubio ticket would be tough to beat because of simple electoral math. Trump is pretty much Republican suicide, and Cruz is way right of the average voter.

Simple how? Kasich or Rubio as nominee will have some extra pull in thier home states but as VP they don't bring that same voter enthusiasm. I don't see them as running mates.

 

[countryboy]

He's the last best hope of the GOP succeeding.

If that's true (and I don't believe it is), then the GOP needs to fail.

 

[Fiddytree]

"Mr. Kasich’s aim is stay in the mix by performing modestly in South Carolina,*"

Well step 1 failed. Maybe he should rethink his plan every loss is going to get worse and worse as supporters look for a candidate who can win.

I think we have to redefine "modestly" for the purposes of this primary and this troubled "establishment" lane that we have here. Given that 2nd and 3rd place were .2% or so from one another, we must also keep in mind that 4th was also very close to 5th place. When you consider the amount of money my primary candidate threw at South Carolina and New Hampshire and how Kasich performed in both (especially with how little attention he put into SC), Kasich performed fairly modestly, but well enough to keep him going.

 

[Helix]

Simple how? Kasich or Rubio as nominee will have some extra pull in thier home states but as VP they don't bring that same voter enthusiasm. I don't see them as running mates.

i don't really see it happening, either. but that ticket would deliver Ohio and Florida, which would be a significant advantage.

 

[MorrisDay]

"Mr. Kasich’s aim is stay in the mix by performing modestly in South Carolina,*"

Well step 1 failed. Maybe he should rethink his plan every loss is going to get worse and worse as supporters look for a candidate who can win.

I think he can win the general election against Hillary. The problem is he can't even win the republican primary. Something I cannot really understand.

 

[MorrisDay]

i don't really see it happening, either. but that ticket would deliver Ohio and Florida, which would be a significant advantage.

I think they are the two best that are left so of course, I wish it would happen. I am hopeful the republicans will come to their senses and vote for a ticket than can WIN.

 

[Fiddytree]

i don't really see it happening, either. but that ticket would deliver Ohio and Florida, which would be a significant advantage.

Ordinarily, you would want an older, experienced gent to push an agenda forward. However, that might not help Rubio so much given he [Kasich] isn't a current Washington politician with experience. In a really weird way, if you were in national government during the Reagan and Gingrich era, you're an old fogey for Republicans. On top of that, I'm becoming convinced you can't get people to vote for a ticket this year unless you have a circus act and White House lawn party that would make Andrew Jackson feel ashamed. So the balancing act proposition is also thrown into question at the same time that the adviser and partner role isn't necessarily aided by this experience-hating electorate.

In short: **** it man, I don't know. The American people are disappointing right now.

 

[Crovax]

i don't really see it happening, either. but that ticket would deliver Ohio and Florida, which would be a significant advantage.

It would only deliver the home state of the nominee, VP picks barely even move the needle

 

[Fiddytree]

It would only deliver the home state of the nominee, VP picks barely even move the needle

Given that all focus has been on Florida and Ohio for the past 15 years, without fail, that was [and perhaps still is] the electoral college goldmine.

 

[jimbo]

It would only deliver the home state of the nominee, VP picks barely even move the needle

VP picks seldom help a candidate, but the wrong VP pick can hurt a candidate.