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Justin Trudeau ban on keeping whales and dolphins in captivity but pro-abortion.

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Isn't it rather ironic that Justin Trudeau banned keeping whales and dolphins in captivity even though he's extremely adamant about a woman's right to choose whether to have an abortion? Pro abortionists argue that a fetus is not a human being but just a blob of tissue, therefore it should be up to each individual woman to decide whether abortion is right or wrong. But whales and dolphins certainly aren't human beings, therefore shouldn't it be left to each individual to decide whether or not keeping them in captivity is right or wrong?
 
Sounds like Trudeau believes in freedom and individual rights.

It's ironic that the OP would compare keeping whales and dolphins in captivity to a woman's right to choose....but says nothing about putting children in cages and the individual right over one's own body.
 
Sounds like Trudeau believes in freedom and individual rights.

It's ironic that the OP would compare keeping whales and dolphins in captivity to a woman's right to choose....but says nothing about putting children in cages and the individual right over one's own body.
But children are definitely human beings. Whales and dolphins aren't. Don't get me wrong, I don't defend animal cruelty. I also don't think abortion should be illegal. But I don't think it's something that should be normalized. What i don't agree with is pushing pro abortionism down people's throats such as through his abortion clause in the Canada Summer Jobs application. Mind you i think it's been changed a while ago. Also instead of banning captivity why doesn't the Trudeau government work with aquariums to reform the way in which whales and dolphins are kept?
 
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Isn't it rather ironic that Justin Trudeau banned keeping whales and dolphins in captivity even though he's extremely adamant about a woman's right to choose whether to have an abortion? Pro abortionists argue that a fetus is not a human being but just a blob of tissue, therefore it should be up to each individual woman to decide whether abortion is right or wrong. But whales and dolphins certainly aren't human beings, therefore shouldn't it be left to each individual to decide whether or not keeping them in captivity is right or wrong?

Whales and dolphins are self-aware... a fetus isn't even in the same game, much less the same ballpark.


But children are definitely human beings.

I don't think that anybody claims that they are not...
 
Whales and dolphins are self-aware... a fetus isn't even in the same game, much less the same ballpark.




I don't think that anybody claims that they are not...
Ok based on that line of reasoning would you agree with what Peter Singer has to say on infanticide? He also supports animal rights and is vegetarian.
 
 
One could just as easily argue that an infant lacks self awareness
 
Isn't it rather ironic that Justin Trudeau banned keeping whales and dolphins in captivity even though he's extremely adamant about a woman's right to choose whether to have an abortion? Pro abortionists argue that a fetus is not a human being but just a blob of tissue, therefore it should be up to each individual woman to decide whether abortion is right or wrong. But whales and dolphins certainly aren't human beings, therefore shouldn't it be left to each individual to decide whether or not keeping them in captivity is right or wrong?
What are you getting at? You want to have the right to capture wild animals alive and keep them?
 
Ok based on that line of reasoning would you agree with what Peter Singer has to say on infanticide? He also supports animal rights and is vegetarian.
I don't agree with infanticide at all...
 
One could just as easily argue that an infant lacks self awareness
It is a born individual human being/person... totally different than being kept alive by your host.
 
What are you getting at? You want to have the right to capture wild animals alive and keep them?
What I'm getting at is instead of banning it, why doesn't the government work with aquariums to reform the way dolphins and orcas are kept in captivity.I'm not denying that aquariums mistreat whales and dolphins
 
It is a born individual human being/person... totally different than being kept alive by your host.
What about a fetus being grown in an artificial womb? Would that be considered an individual human being/person? A fetus in an artificial womb doesn't need to be kept alive by a host in the same way. Disclaimer dont get me wrong i'm not saying that i believe abortion should be illegal. Also this is starting to turn into a tangent.
 
What I'm getting at is instead of banning it, why doesn't the government work with aquariums to reform the way dolphins and orcas are kept in captivity.I'm not denying that aquariums mistreat whales and dolphins
For one thing, Trudeau is betting that most Canadians don't want whales and dolphins to be kept so this ban will make political points for the Liberal Party.
For another, aquariums are city facilities.
For another, there is no humane way to keep large migratory animals in captivity.
 
What about a fetus being grown in an artificial womb? Would that be considered an individual human being/person? A fetus in an artificial womb doesn't need to be kept alive by a host in the same way.

I am not going to worry about aborting fetus's in artificial wombs until artificial wombs are a reality...
 
Isn't it rather ironic that Justin Trudeau banned keeping whales and dolphins in captivity even though he's extremely adamant about a woman's right to choose whether to have an abortion? Pro abortionists argue that a fetus is not a human being but just a blob of tissue, therefore it should be up to each individual woman to decide whether abortion is right or wrong. But whales and dolphins certainly aren't human beings, therefore shouldn't it be left to each individual to decide whether or not keeping them in captivity is right or wrong?

You seem to harbor a very binary view.
How about the vast majority of pro-choicers who argue for choice, while still against late term abortions except in the case of medical necessity, how about pro-choicers who urge people to seek alternatives wherever possible while still supporting the basic notion of it being a woman's right to choose, how about pro-choicers who will side with pro-life in cases where it is nothing more than abortions of convenience?
How about the middle of the road in pro-life who will allow abortions in the case of rape or incest, or where the life of the mother may be in jeopardy?

You don't seem to think any of those people exist, do you?
Of course not...we're all just satan worshipping America hating pedos who drink fetal tissue milkshakes from the Abortion On Demand Drive Thru fast food joint on the corner, right?

But even after all that, pairing that with whales isn't apples vs oranges, it's wolves and tangerines.
It's wolves and tangerines because I bet you cannot mount a rational defense IN FAVOR OF keeping whales and dolphins in captivity.

Sell me on the idea, or did you really want to just talk about ABORTION and just used Trudeau as a cover?

PS: Irony has nothing to do with it. What you posted is not irony.

 
For one thing, Trudeau is betting that most Canadians don't want whales and dolphins to be kept so this ban will make political points for the Liberal Party.
For another, aquariums are city facilities.
For another, there is no humane way to keep large migratory animals in captivity.
And setting up larger spaces for large migratory animals in aquariums would probably be expensive.
 
And setting up larger spaces for large migratory animals in aquariums would probably be expensive.

Free Willy. The dorsal fins on Orca whales curl over when they're kept in captivity and no one wants to see that.


Robots are the way to go....

 
And setting up larger spaces for large migratory animals in aquariums would probably be expensive.

How do these large migratory animals MIGRATE when kept in an aquarium?
You just admitted they are migratory.
 
How do these large migratory animals MIGRATE when kept in an aquarium?
You just admitted they are migratory.
Meant to say large animals. Of course they can't possibly migrate in an aquarium. Said migratory by mistake.
 
What I'm getting at is instead of banning it, why doesn't the government work with aquariums to reform the way dolphins and orcas are kept in captivity.I'm not denying that aquariums mistreat whales and dolphins


Do you really think an aquarium can have adequate space for a whale?
 
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