Justices signal they’ll OK new abortion limits, may toss Roe

[Plasmaball]

The vast majority of abortions are done because of unintended pregnancies. Having sex for sex's sake, void of the possible consequences of not being properly protected.

Not your problem dude.worry about your bedroom and stay out of mine

 

[Plasmaball]

At its basis sex is for reproduction, something way to many people have lost sight of IMO ..your pleasure should never trump responsibility.

What ew no. Just ugh

 

[roguenuke]

At its basis sex is for reproduction, something way to many people have lost sight of IMO ..your pleasure should never trump responsibility.

For humans, sex is enjoyable for a reason, so that we have more sex. The vast majority of sex that people participate in does not lead to reproduction.

Most long term heterosexual couples (consider those who have been together, having sex with each other for over a minimum of a year) have had hundreds, possibly thousands of sexual encounters, of penetrative vaginal sex, in their time together. The vast majority have less than 4 children.

 

[roguenuke]

You missed my point, no other animal can contemplate killing its unborn fetus. IMHO our intellect is taking us further and further away from our own nature and the nature around us. For that there will be reckoning, mother nature is just about fed up with us and our destructive ways IMO.

Yet they have no issue killing born offspring. Should we instead take that approach? Wait until the offspring are born?

Nature says that we should kill defective offspring, those who are from a past male relationship, and/or those who would take up too many resources before sexual maturity.

Mother nature doesn't get "fed up". And even if she did, it would have nothing to do with abortions, as nature kills off offspring of other species all the time, in various ways, including by mothers/fathers/mates of mothers killing them themselves.

 

[gboisjo]

Nature says that we should kill defective offspring, those who are from a past male relationship, and/or those who would take up too many resources before sexual maturity.

Nature makes it perfectly clear why lion or monkey offspring are killed, nowhere is it out of convenience for forgetting to use protection. The distancing from our nature and the nature around us makes us numb to its peril. Shit, most people don't even realize there a mammalian animal, they don't associate the fact. No, I'm human, a cut way above everything else.

The native Indians in the America's were the last people here to have any kind of real connection to nature. We own, rape and plunder everything around us including the unborn.

A major point in Christianity was the concept of the Earth belonging to mankind. While Christianity wasn’t the first to propose the concept of land ownership and entitlement, it is a driving force of how Western culture views nature. A wrong turn and in the end it will bring us all down IMO.

 

[roguenuke]

Nature makes it perfectly clear why lion or monkey offspring are killed, nowhere is it out of convenience for forgetting to use protection. The distancing from our nature and the nature around us makes us numb to its peril. Shit, most people don't even realize there a mammalian animal, they don't associate the fact. No, I'm human, a cut way above everything else.

The native Indians in the America's were the last people here to have any kind of real connection to nature. We own, rape and plunder everything around us including the unborn.

A major point in Christianity was the concept of the Earth belonging to mankind. While Christianity wasn’t the first to propose the concept of land ownership and entitlement, it is a driving force of how Western culture views nature. A wrong turn and in the end it will bring us all down IMO.

You are the one who is calling a woman who does not have currently adequate resources for herself or even perhaps the family she already has having an abortion one done out of "convenience", when in fact it is an evaluation of her actual resources.

You brought up nature here, in what I commented to. You claimed animals didn't have abortions at all.

I don't care what Christians or nonChristians have to do with this. I'm going off the nature argument, which includes justification for having an abortion or even killing born offspring by mothers. We only allow abortion, prebirth killing. But it is for the same essential reasons, lack of resources, a danger (in some way) to life, defection within the offspring (and this is limited for humans). So we are in fact still morally speaking (to many) better than animals when it comes to such things.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Indeed, most Republicans on the Court voted for Roe.

It may be the first time a Supreme Court voted to overturn its own decision based solely on changes to its personnel.

Roe was a poor decision. Definitely a state issue. It will never be illegal to terminate a pregnancy. The number of weeks may change thought

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Roe was a poor decision.

A matter of opinion from someone who will never be faced with having to make the decision whether or not to terminate their own pregnncy.

Definitely a state issue.

"Definitely" is, again, a matter of opinion.

It will never be illegal to terminate a pregnancy.

Well, at one time it WAS "illegal to terminate a pregnancy" (not only that, but at one time it was illegal to even use birth control methods [other than the "Rhythm and Blues" method authorized by the RCC INC.]) in the United States of America.

The number of weeks may change thought

Yep, right down to 0.0000017 weeks if some people get their way.

 

[mrdeltoid]

A matter of opinion from someone who will never be faced with having to make the decision whether or not to terminate their own pregnncy.

"Definitely" is, again, a matter of opinion.

Well, at one time it WAS "illegal to terminate a pregnancy" (not only that, but at one time it was illegal to even use birth control methods [other than the "Rhythm and Blues" method authorized by the RCC INC.]) in the United States of America.

Yep, right down to 0.0000017 weeks if some people get their way.

I wasn't actually talking about the abortion per se, more so whether it's a constitutional issue, or not. I don't believe the government has any place in that decision. It should be up to the woman. Personally, I believe it is the taking of a life. That's my opinion though. And the further along in the pregnancy, a heartbeat, arms, legs, fingers and toes, etc, well, if one is comfortable with doing it, it's between them and God.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I wasn't actually talking about the abortion per se, more so whether it's a constitutional issue, or not. I don't believe the government has any place in that decision.

Since it is the government that establishes the (potential) criminal penalties (or lack thereof), "The Gummint" is always going to be "involved" to some degree.

It should be up to the woman.

So do I - and let God do the judging.

Personally, I believe it is the taking of a life.

We differ. However, at some point in a pregnancy, our opinions converge.

That's my opinion though. And the further along in the pregnancy, a heartbeat, arms, legs, fingers and toes, etc, well, if one is comfortable with doing it, it's between them and God.

Indeed.

 

[party free]

And those states can cover all of the associated.costs.of all those unwanted children and everything that entails.

Pro-birth, not pro-life.

 

[Lursa]

The native Indians in the America's were the last people here to have any kind of real connection to nature. We own, rape and plunder everything around us including the unborn.

North American native Americans drove several species to extinction (see: jumps for one example) and regularly (on the east coast) used fire to burn forests for nuts and basic resources.

They also kept slaves and raped women from other tribes. They plundered other tribes all the time. They warred over territory which is not much different than 'ownership.' Please open a history book written after 1990.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Since it is the government that establishes the (potential) criminal penalties (or lack thereof), "The Gummint" is always going to be "involved" to some degree.

So do I - and let God do the judging.

We differ. However, at some point in a pregnancy, our opinions converge.

Indeed.

Keep in mind the “Gummint” here, operates with consent of the governed, and the BOR enumerates what the Gummint can’t do. Also you are right, they are involved to an extent, and the less, the better.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Keep in mind the “Gummint” here, operates with consent of the governed, and the BOR enumerates what the Gummint can’t do. Also you are right, they are involved to an extent, and the less, the better.

Actually "The Gummint" EVERYWHERE "operates with the consent of the governed". Mind you, in some places that consent it given more willingly than it is in others (and in some places that consent is given with more knowledge than it is in others).

 

[gboisjo]

I don't care what Christians or nonChristians have to do with this. I'm going off the nature argument, which includes justification for having an abortion or even killing born offspring by mothers. We only allow abortion, prebirth killing. But it is for the same essential reasons, lack of resources, a danger (in some way) to life, defection within the offspring (and this is limited for humans). So we are in fact still morally speaking (to many) better than animals when it comes to such things.

No its not the same, no other animal has the cognitive ability of humans, Its our ability to short circuit instinct that's led us to our present state of being separated from the natural world.

I mean what morals are you referring to ..whats right and wrong has become a joke. We rely on laws for our behavior and our jails are packed full.

 

[roguenuke]

No its not the same, no other animal has the cognitive ability of humans, Its our ability to short circuit instinct that's led us to our present state of being separated from the natural world.

I mean what morals are you referring to ..whats right and wrong has become a joke. We rely on laws for our behavior and our jails are packed full.

Then why did you bring up animals in that earlier post?

Not all of us have to rely on laws for our behaviors, for right and wrong. Our jails being "packed full" has more to do with other things than what is morally right or wrong.