I think you misunderstood the irony I was conveying in my post. The consistent argument against prochoice has been that women know what they are getting into when they have sex so if they have to deal with the discomfort and dangers of childbirth because they got pregnant, despite taking precautions, well so be it. 'That's what the little slut gets' type of attitude. It's always been about that, centrally.
The argument really isn't about the fetus. It never has been. It's always been about punishment for sexuality. It just looks nicer packaged in a pretty bow that proclaims "Won't someone please think of the CHILDREN!!!!"
It really chaps your hide to have someone diminish what you consider a right or diminish your ownership of your property or hold you responsible for an act that took two without giving you any freedoms over the outcome of that act, huh?
Except the Irony you're trying to put across simply reinforces my point.
The standard argument against the whole "You know the consequences" is essentially that it doesn't matter that they know it, they should still be free to "fix" it. They should still have some sort of control.
AND YET
Men are told "You know the consequences" and are expected to just deal with it and accept it with little to nothing they can do.
You want to talk about the irony. Talk about the equal irony of pro-choiers people being upset that Pro-lifers say "You know the consequences" while turning back around and using "You know the consequences" as the basis for their OWN unfair laws and rulings.
"Yeah, us blacks need equal rights cause we're discriminated against, I can't not be black. But gay people shouldn't get equal rights cause they don't have to be gay"
You're doing a LOT of stereotyping and generalizing Jall, you want to start dealing with stereotypes rather than who you're talking to, so be it. But you'll never have found me given that "what a little slut" attitude, go forth and search for it. My issue in this thread isn't even fully about abortion and its legality or not, but the mentality that the father should have
zero say in regards to his potential child yet should hold
100% of the fiscal responsability. And the only reason you seem to be able to give, that they "know" the consequences, is the exact same thing that could be applied to the women but yet is excused for them but not for the guy.
I am not suggesting it is excused for the men and not the women. You'll note I've said a number of times I don't think the decision should be a 50/50 split. I simply believe we must get out of this mentality that the father is a worthless, mindles, ATM machine and nothing more unless the mother wants him to be when it comes to the birth of the child so that perhaps ways on how to better laws or find better solutions to more accurately server a situation where the decisions made do not affect the two people 100% and 0% but the law sets forth that balance.
