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George Zimmerman sees a black hooded youth walking through his walled estate. For some reason the boy is looking into gardens/houses and is walking a bit "strange". Not thinking the kid might have a perfectly valid reason for being in that walled estate and just looking around the neighborhood while is tentatively walking to his new abode (not knowing the area that well yet), Zimmerman thinks the worst and calls the police. The police say they will come and for mr. Zimmerman to take no further action towards the boy. Zimmerman ignores the police and does go after the youth on foot, a struggle ensues and the youth ends up dead and Zimmerman gets a walk out of jail free card. Mr. Zimmerman felt threatened and invoked his right to self defense.


Marissa Alexander, an African American woman from Florida is having an argument/confrontation with her husband. A husband against whom she had a protective order. The husband had said to her: "If I can't have you, nobody going to have you," and then blocked her from leaving the bathroom she was in.

She walked outside, took her gun from the glove compartment and walked back in the house demanding that he should leave. She fired one or more warning shots, the man who had threatened to kill her fled the house.

Mrs. Alexander invokes the stand your ground law because she feared for her live, the judge says no to that because she went back into the house. A move that is just as wise as mr. Zimmerman leaving the car and following Trayvon was.

No one was killed, mrs. Alexander had never been in trouble with the law in her life. 12 minutes later the jury returned a guilty verdict and mrs. Alexander was sentenced by mandatory sentencing to 20 years in jail.

Justice? I don't think so. Either both should have wandered into jail but you cannot have it both ways IMHO.
 

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The main lesson to take away from the two abominations you sited is that we must never turn down jury duty, our countries need us.
 

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The main lesson to take away from the two abominations you sited is that we must never turn down jury duty, our countries need us.
Or go over to a non-jury system. Then mistakes or issues where jurors are not clear as to what is the law and how to read it is no longer an issue. The same goes for mandatory sentencing, a judge should always have the final word.
 

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George Zimmerman sees a black hooded youth walking through his walled estate. For some reason the boy is looking into gardens/houses and is walking a bit "strange". Not thinking the kid might have a perfectly valid reason for being in that walled estate and just looking around the neighborhood while is tentatively walking to his new abode (not knowing the area that well yet), Zimmerman thinks the worst and calls the police. The police say they will come and for mr. Zimmerman to take no further action towards the boy. Zimmerman ignores the police and does go after the youth on foot, a struggle ensues and the youth ends up dead and Zimmerman gets a walk out of jail free card. Mr. Zimmerman felt threatened and invoked his right to self defense.


Marissa Alexander, an African American woman from Florida is having an argument/confrontation with her husband. A husband against whom she had a protective order. The husband had said to her: "If I can't have you, nobody going to have you," and then blocked her from leaving the bathroom she was in.

She walked outside, took her gun from the glove compartment and walked back in the house demanding that he should leave. She fired one or more warning shots, the man who had threatened to kill her fled the house.

Mrs. Alexander invokes the stand your ground law because she feared for her live, the judge says no to that because she went back into the house. A move that is just as wise as mr. Zimmerman leaving the car and following Trayvon was.

No one was killed, mrs. Alexander had never been in trouble with the law in her life. 12 minutes later the jury returned a guilty verdict and mrs. Alexander was sentenced by mandatory sentencing to 20 years in jail.

Justice? I don't think so. Either both should have wandered into jail but you cannot have it both ways IMHO.
The Zimmerman trial should have never happened.The prosecution had no evidence.The only reason the Zimmerman case happened was due to yellow journalism demonizing Zimmerman as a racist wannabe vigilante and racist and other race parasites pressuring Zimmerman's conviction.

The woman should have never went to prison. It doesn't matter if she went back into her home.The fact she had to go and get her gun to fire a warning shot meant her husband was still there and was not leaving except under the threat of a gun.Cops are not speed racer or Dale Earnhardt jr . By the time those cops would have showed up that woman could have been dead. The woman obviously feared for her life but did not want to take her Husband's life.
 
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Or go over to a non-jury system. Then mistakes or issues where jurors are not clear as to what is the law and how to read it is no longer an issue. The same goes for mandatory sentencing, a judge should always have the final word.
Amen to that.
 

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George Zimmerman sees a black hooded youth walking through his walled estate. For some reason the boy is looking into gardens/houses and is walking a bit "strange". Not thinking the kid might have a perfectly valid reason for being in that walled estate and just looking around the neighborhood while is tentatively walking to his new abode (not knowing the area that well yet), Zimmerman thinks the worst and calls the police. The police say they will come and for mr. Zimmerman to take no further action towards the boy. Zimmerman ignores the police and does go after the youth on foot, a struggle ensues and the youth ends up dead and Zimmerman gets a walk out of jail free card. Mr. Zimmerman felt threatened and invoked his right to self defense.


Marissa Alexander, an African American woman from Florida is having an argument/confrontation with her husband. A husband against whom she had a protective order. The husband had said to her: "If I can't have you, nobody going to have you," and then blocked her from leaving the bathroom she was in.

She walked outside, took her gun from the glove compartment and walked back in the house demanding that he should leave. She fired one or more warning shots, the man who had threatened to kill her fled the house.

Mrs. Alexander invokes the stand your ground law because she feared for her live, the judge says no to that because she went back into the house. A move that is just as wise as mr. Zimmerman leaving the car and following Trayvon was.

No one was killed, mrs. Alexander had never been in trouble with the law in her life. 12 minutes later the jury returned a guilty verdict and mrs. Alexander was sentenced by mandatory sentencing to 20 years in jail.

Justice? I don't think so. Either both should have wandered into jail but you cannot have it both ways IMHO.
OMFG... You have to be joking?

You really think that those 2 incidents are the same?
 

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OMFG... You have to be joking?

You really think that those 2 incidents are the same?
Yes and no. In one case no one was hurt but the suspect was sentenced to 20 years, in the other case the suspect killed someone and was let of with no punishment whatsoever.
 

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George Zimmerman sees a black hooded youth walking through his walled estate. For some reason the boy is looking into gardens/houses and is walking a bit "strange". Not thinking the kid might have a perfectly valid reason for being in that walled estate and just looking around the neighborhood while is tentatively walking to his new abode (not knowing the area that well yet), Zimmerman thinks the worst and calls the police. The police say they will come and for mr. Zimmerman to take no further action towards the boy. Zimmerman ignores the police and does go after the youth on foot, a struggle ensues and the youth ends up dead and Zimmerman gets a walk out of jail free card. Mr. Zimmerman felt threatened and invoked his right to self defense.


Marissa Alexander, an African American woman from Florida is having an argument/confrontation with her husband. A husband against whom she had a protective order. The husband had said to her: "If I can't have you, nobody going to have you," and then blocked her from leaving the bathroom she was in.

She walked outside, took her gun from the glove compartment and walked back in the house demanding that he should leave. She fired one or more warning shots, the man who had threatened to kill her fled the house.

Mrs. Alexander invokes the stand your ground law because she feared for her live, the judge says no to that because she went back into the house. A move that is just as wise as mr. Zimmerman leaving the car and following Trayvon was.

No one was killed, mrs. Alexander had never been in trouble with the law in her life. 12 minutes later the jury returned a guilty verdict and mrs. Alexander was sentenced by mandatory sentencing to 20 years in jail.

Justice? I don't think so. Either both should have wandered into jail but you cannot have it both ways IMHO.
You completely mischaracterized what happened between Zimmerman and Martin. If you want to have a reasonable discussion on this then it would be helpful if you stuck to established facts.

Fact #1, Zimmerman called the cops because he believed that Martin was acting suspiciously. Martin fit the description of people who had committed several crimes in his development over the past year or so.
Fact #2, Zimmerman wasn't told to take no other action. The dispatcher actually asked him if he could tell which way the kid ran. That pretty much sounds like a request from the dispatch. It wasn't until after dispatch had reason to believe that Zimmerman was outside his vehicle that they told him they didn't need him to do that. The reason dispatch tells people that kind of thing is for their own protection because if the person they are calling about has bad intentions they might attack the caller.
Fact #3, It's almost like the dispatcher had a crystal ball because Martin then approached Zimmerman. That fact actually came from the person that Martin was on the with.
Fact #4, Zimmerman didn't get any kind of free pass. He was arrested and questioned. In the short term there wasn't enough evidence to hold him so he was released but the investigation continued. As time went by no incriminating evidence came up so he wasn't taken in again UNTIL the government got scared that there would be political backlash so they completely blew off any and all of Zimmerman's Constitutional rights and hauled him in.
Fact #5, even after the egregious violations of Zimmerman's rights and the show trial there STILL wasn't enough evidence to convict him but since this is no longer a crime but a political movement Zimmerman will be hounded by the government for the rest of his life.

Maybe you don't have these issues in the Netherlands but out here the government is wholly invested in making sure that blacks don't stray too far from the plantation and one of the key ways they do that is to make sure that blacks are always afraid. On the one hand the government does all that it can to make them afraid of the criminal justice system and on the other they make them afraid to step too far outside of the social "safety net". It's a pretty sweet deal if you're the government because you can sit there and say "Mr. Black man, if you let me protect you from the evil white people I'll take good care of you but if you ever cross me I'll put you away for life."
 

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OK, here's the rest of the story from the Huffington Post:

Alexander, a 31-year-old mother of a toddler and 11-year-old twins, knew it was coming. She had claimed self-defense, tried to invoke Florida's "stand your ground" law and rejected plea deals that could have gotten her a much shorter sentence. A jury found her guilty as charged: aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Because she fired a gun while committing a felony, Florida's mandatory-minimum gun law dictated the 20-year sentence.​

While that sentence seems harsh, she should have never tried to invoke the stand your ground defense, because it simply did not apply in that case. That law states:

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.​

She didn't stand her ground, she retreated to safety. At that point she was no longer faced with any force against her that needed to be met with force, so the man became nothing more than a trespasser and she should have then contacted the police. By instead choosing to return and confront the man with a gun, she created the situation.

The only way this could be compared to the Martin/Zimmerman incident, was if Zimmerman had escaped from Martin after the beating, went to his truck to get his gun, and then confronted Martin, shot him, and claimed it was self defense...

Yes this story is sad and the sentence was way over the top, but only a fool would try and suggest that this case compares in any way to the Zimmerman case.
 
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