Just watching the insurrection approvingly and doing nothing to intervene

[roguenuke]

Are you saying that once again, trump and his intelligence people were to stupid to know what was about to happen, come on now.

It's more plausible trump ordered the Capitol police to stand down. Dangerous man!

Perhaps you should read what I actually posted better. I'm saying that this was before the actual storming of the Capitol took place, unlike what it is being described as so should be described more accurately. Don't make up shit like Trump and his cronies do.

Also, I think the failure with the Capitol police lays somewhere in their chain of command, leadership having someone or multiple someones who support Trump and/or wanted to prove some stupid, petty point about lack of police in relation to stripping funding or "defunding" police. They purposely sabotaged the situation, either knowing that it would be a problem and/or not caring, but figuring that this would "show them" (the Dems) and/or perhaps help Trump. It will take investigation to find out more, but this is the most likely scenario from the info we have.

I certainly know that Trump is dangerous and incited this, but one of the things I hate a lot about Trump is his lying and misinformation campaigning, which means people against Trump should not resort to it.

 

[bomberfox]

Holy crap, that is stomach turning!

The cowardly bitches in the Trump family, their sycophants and whores are delighting in the planned insurrection to overtake the government of the United States, using people like QAnon who specifically went there to kill democrats and do harm to our political servants.

Everyone involved must pay the ultimate price, they should rot in prison, the whole anti-American, unpatriotic scum watching those monitors in safety like the little bitches they all are. Pathetic!

This is NOT America! This is Trump's America, they were in existence before Trump, but he has emboldened them and encouraged them, 'Jews will not replace us', 'Blood and soil', 'Hail Trump', get out the noose mob of White Supremacists, White Nationalists, QAnon, etc. What the **** is going on, and who in power is going to have the balls to stop it or at least slow it down?

It can only be stopped with force. Fascists will kill anyone that stands in their way.

 

[bomberfox]

Trump needs to be charged, tried, convicted and executed for Treason Against The United States of America. The Constitution calls for this. They want to follow the Constitution in all other things but this? This is the prescription for such acts committed by Donald Trump that are plainly stated in the Constitution, namely Levying War against the United States. His recorded rhetoric, and inciteful lies proves it. Is this so hard?

Ill agree with that!

 

[bomberfox]

Defense department is of course compromised. Kinda feels like we are Chile now....

 

[Manc Skipper]

You know that's a crock, that he did no such thing. He never called for violence. This is just a Marxist-initiated lie, and you're mindlessly taking the bait.

Read this and weep for your nation, he set them on congress in his speech then sent them marching as he sped away to the WH having said he'd lead them!

 

[Rexedgar]

How many times in the last four years have we heard about the Trump Administration’s “worst week?”

There is a week and a half left; does it get worse?

 

[noonereal]

don't spread misinformation against Trump.

don't you think this a... strange request given Trump has spread more disinformation about others than any other human who has ever lived?

 

[Vadinho]

If any of you had any doubt regarding Simpleton's complicity in this insurrection, I would suggest that you watch this brief two minute video carefully.

This could very easily have been the end of democracy and the American experiment as we knew it.

They were gleeful as they watched the chaos unfold.

Words are really inadequate in describing this level of dispicable.

this is the most unbelievable video I have ever seen of a sitting POTUS. This has to be shown everywhere and presented as evidence at his second impeachment trial.

 

[Vadinho]

Okay, so please don't spread misinformation against Trump. This was before the speech, before people actually stormed the Capitol. Not saying that this isn't them gleefully starting it, but it is not them gleefully watching the chaos actually happen. It doesn't even mean that they weren't later gleefully watching it all play out. It only means that this video is not what it is being presented as in that tweet. Leave the lies and misinformation to Trump and his ilk. Don't stoop to that level.

How do you know this? if you are right then this is very misleading to portray it as during the riots.

 

[roguenuke]

Well it looks like little chance Biden would be giving Trump a pardon.



Not that I really thought he would anyway, but I know that others on here have said there is a chance he could to stress unity over division.

 

[Rexedgar]

How do you know this? if you are right then this is very misleading to portray it as during the riots.

Someone states that an ambulance can be seen in the tv screens; I did’t see that. Is there a definitive timeline for this video?

 

[Shrink726]

Someone states that an ambulance can be seen in the tv screens; I did’t see that. Is there a definitive timeline for this video?

Go to 1:42, you'll see an ambulance on the top screen.

 

[roguenuke]

don't you think this a... strange request given Trump has spread more disinformation about others than any other human who has ever lived?

No, it's not. It is very important to remain the standard barer, to hold up the biggest difference between Trump and his supporters and those that are against him, the dishonest spread of information that you know to be false or haven't verified, could easily be shown to be false (but you don't care) vs trying to verify info, only putting out information that you honestly believe is factual. The difference between misrepresenting what is being put out on purpose to manipulate sentiment vs putting out things in good faith.

 

[Rexedgar]

Go to 1:42, you'll see an ambulance on the top screen.

Has the timeline been established?

 

[roguenuke]

Someone states that an ambulance can be seen in the tv screens; I did’t see that. Is there a definitive timeline for this video?

There is an ambulance moving, without lights, on a screen behind them. It is not there for an emergency, but rather appears to simply be about to station itself somewhere in the vicinity. Also on those screens though are people seen calmly or at least stationary within an area that looks set up for a speech. All evidence is that this video was taken right before Trump went out to make the speech, to stir up those people. There is no evidence in that video that this actually took place after the storming started, after they went into the Capitol.

Edit: Ambulance does have lights on, but there was also 2 health related deaths that we do not have adequate details on when or where they happened. We also have no reference for that ambulance. But the best clue is still the main screen, the one separate, is showing a crowd waiting in anticipation of a speech, which is before (right before) they all go to march on the Capitol. None of the screens show the chaos that they would if that was what they were watching, and some of those people in that tent (because there were far more than just main Trump people) would have been much more tense.

 

[roguenuke]

How do you know this? if you are right then this is very misleading to portray it as during the riots.

I've read the thread this came from (on twitter) and watched the video a couple of times. There are definite clues to this. Including some of the screens show people standing/sitting, waiting outside for a speech. There is an ambulance in one of the screens, but if you watch, it appears to be simply idling through, looking for somewhere to lay in wait, not going to an emergency call. There is no evidence they are watching "Breaking News!" on those screens. All evidence appears to present this as pre-storm, pre speech even.

 

[roguenuke]

Just to provide a little more, the media is reporting on this and seems to confirm (or at least strongly believe) this was taken right before the rally/speech that then led to them marching on and invading the Capitol.

Donald Trump Jr. Video Shows Happy Family, Friends Backstage at Rally Prior to Capitol Riot That Killed 5

Trump supporters invaded Congress after a rally where Trump argued that Vice President Mike Pences should block the confirmation of Joe Biden’s election.

www.nbcconnecticut.com

I'm not saying that this still isn't insanely inappropriate and despicable, considering what they should have known was likely to happen with his speech, given that crowd and the lies and misinformation they have been putting out for so long. I am saying that it shouldn't be presented as something it isn't just to make him "look worse". The truth is all you need. Lying and using misinformation hurts a cause, it leads to distrust and not knowing if people are actually giving you good info.

 

[Hamish Howl]

How about burning down Federal Courthouses and churches.?

So, here you are trying to normalize a coup attempt.

 

[Nickyjo]

The only thing you're right about might be the end of America if election cheating isn't fixed. And now that the Communists are in charge, I don't know who will fix it.

You keep crying communist. Care to explain how the Democratic Party, to the right of even some conservative parties in Europe, is communist?

 

[SMTA]

Feminism is not a civic ideology, it is a religion.
And we're seeing evidence of that right now. Armed with firearms, male police officer kills woman who'd never presented a physical threat not for anyone, not just a woman, a veteran of the U.S. Air force, unarmed, at the time of the struggle for their civil rights, practically in an emphasis. Not a shot, aimed to wound and to stop illegal actions, but aiming in vital organs, that is to kill. This is a ready-made banner of feminism: a woman soldier, a woman patriot, a woman civil activist killed in the struggle for her rights.
But feminists all over the world are silent - it is not interesting, and there was no order.
And this is where the meaning of feminism as a religion is revealed - it is not a codified Abrahamic religion, where there is a main Text and its hierarchically structured interpretations, from which it is more or less clear where Christ is and where the Antichrist is, where the righteous are and where the heretics are.
Feminism as a religion-shamanism. Somewhere out there, on the top of the sacred mountain of New York, sits the Supreme Chuchundra (in feathers and with a tambourine - everything is as it should be) she decides, who is a good person and who is an evil spirit, there are no rules, there are only revelations of Chuchundra. Through the New York Times, the Supreme Chuchundra proclaims his revelations, which are Truth, great and unquestionable. The revelations say that this was the wrong woman - an evil spirit, and the Gods do not tell us to mourn her.

What a stupid ****ing post.

 

[Shrink726]

Just to provide a little more, the media is reporting on this and seems to confirm (or at least strongly believe) this was taken right before the rally/speech that then led to them marching on and invading the Capitol.

Donald Trump Jr. Video Shows Happy Family, Friends Backstage at Rally Prior to Capitol Riot That Killed 5

Trump supporters invaded Congress after a rally where Trump argued that Vice President Mike Pences should block the confirmation of Joe Biden’s election.

www.nbcconnecticut.com

I'm not saying that this still isn't insanely inappropriate and despicable, considering what they should have known was likely to happen with his speech, given that crowd and the lies and misinformation they have been putting out for so long. I am saying that it shouldn't be presented as something it isn't just to make him "look worse". The truth is all you need. Lying and using misinformation hurts a cause, it leads to distrust and not knowing if people are actually giving you good info.

I'm pretty damn sure that if that video had been taken during the breech and occupation of the Congress, you would have seen an even more exuberant Simpleton.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Feminism is not a civic ideology, it is a religion.
And we're seeing evidence of that right now. Armed with firearms, male police officer kills woman who'd never presented a physical threat not for anyone, not just a woman, a veteran of the U.S. Air force, unarmed, at the time of the struggle for their civil rights, practically in an emphasis. Not a shot, aimed to wound and to stop illegal actions, but aiming in vital organs, that is to kill. This is a ready-made banner of feminism: a woman soldier, a woman patriot, a woman civil activist killed in the struggle for her rights.
But feminists all over the world are silent - it is not interesting, and there was no order.
And this is where the meaning of feminism as a religion is revealed - it is not a codified Abrahamic religion, where there is a main Text and its hierarchically structured interpretations, from which it is more or less clear where Christ is and where the Antichrist is, where the righteous are and where the heretics are.
Feminism as a religion-shamanism. Somewhere out there, on the top of the sacred mountain of New York, sits the Supreme Chuchundra (in feathers and with a tambourine - everything is as it should be) she decides, who is a good person and who is an evil spirit, there are no rules, there are only revelations of Chuchundra. Through the New York Times, the Supreme Chuchundra proclaims his revelations, which are Truth, great and unquestionable. The revelations say that this was the wrong woman - an evil spirit, and the Gods do not tell us to mourn her.

This sounds just a little crazy.

 

[roguenuke]

I'm pretty damn sure that if that video had been taken during the breech and occupation of the Congress, you would have seen an even more exuberant Simpleton.

But more tense people around him and more action going on in those videos, as well as more actual activity going on inside that tent. It doesn't matter what we all know was probably Trump's reaction to the actual chaos, exuberance, but this is simply not a video of that specific event.

 

[Lutherf]

If any of you had any doubt regarding Simpleton's complicity in this insurrection, I would suggest that you watch this brief two minute video carefully.

This could very easily have been the end of democracy and the American experiment as we knew it.

They were gleeful as they watched the chaos unfold.

Words are really inadequate in describing this level of dispicable.

What, exactly, do you think that's a video of?

 

[What if...?]

Wh

How about burning down Federal Courthouses and churches.?

Which federal courthouses got burned down? Last I heard there was just fire damage to a federal courthouse. And what churches? Because because I keep seeing dramatic references that give the impression that all of the mothers in major cities are huddled in their are rooms praying antifa doesn't eat their children, when the reality it is the relative few who are actually affected are actually pissed they can't get to their favorite Starbucks and have to walk an extra block to get to the other one.

For the most part your dire threat to the first world is mostly a collection of first world problems when you get down to his much real impact it had on people.

It got pretty rough some places. Three buildings got burned in the little village of La Mesa here in San Diego, down the hill from me.

Problem is he stated on camera that it was an anti-capitalism act, not a police brutality protest.

But if you heard about it it was BLM.