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Just because your father was an American you think you're a citizen?

This is no different than Al-Qaeda continually tightening the circle and narrowing the definition of who is and isn't "a true Muslim".
Eventually, as Trump's own remarks indicate, true citizenship will be decided on loyalty to Trump alone and those found sufficiently disloyal will find their citizenship revoked.
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But by all means continue defending this dictator so that when you wake up and find yourself outside the circle, we can laugh at your predicament.
 
Native born Americans who support the elimination of birthright citizenship cause they think whiteness protects them are about to get a rude awakening.
 
Evidently not so for everyone.

Jermaine Amani Thomas was born on August 9, 1986, in a military hospital located on a U.S. military base in Frankfurt, Germany. His father, a Jamaican immigrant, enlisted in the U.S. Army in 1979 and became a citizen in May 1984. His mother was Kenyan. When the father's tour of duty ended in Germany Thomas was permitted entry on a visa which listed his nationality as Jamaican, not American.

That mistake eventually resulted in his deportation to Jamaica as a criminal alien. It also laid a path to a disturbing ruling that the military base on which Thomas was born was not part of the United States for purposes of the 14th Amendment. See Jermaine Amani Thomas v Loretta Lynch, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, No. 14-60297 (pdf).

For current status and related issues see Man Born on Army Base to US Soldier Deported to Jamaica, Mandy Taheri, Newsweek, 6/28/2025

Children born on U.S. military bases overseas do not get automatic citizenship, but they typically acquire citizenship through their parents if eligibility requirements are met and proper paperwork is filed. Stock said typically they have to go to the State Department and file certain applications to obtain a "Consular Report of Birth Abroad."
The blame for Thomas not having U.S. citizenship rests with his parents, 100%.

The requirement for all American parents of children born on foreign soil to obtain U.S. citizenship through the local U.S. Embassy/Consulate, or through the State Department has been in place for many decades, at least.
 
IMHO, the breakdown was the Army Hospital in 1986 should have held his hand in getting the proper paperwork completed and filed for the Birth Abroad Certification so that jus sanguinis citizenship (citizenship based on blood, or in other words the child of a citizen) could have been properly established.

IMHO the decades long problems shouldn't have existed. Born to a citizen overseas, you get derivative citizenship from your parent. File the birth and relationship - and since this occurred in an Army hospital that shouldn't have been hard - then the citizenship gets certified.

Any problems later in life are irrelevant to what should have happed in 1986.

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Thomas’ parents were responsible for failing to obtain U.S. citizenship for their son.

American service members have been producing offspring in foreign countries for a very long time. There is nothing at all new or difficult in obtaining U.S. citizenship for an American baby born on foreign soil.

Even failing that, Thomas had until his 18th birthday to apply for U.S. citizenship.

Really, no excuse, and nobody but Thomas and his parents to blame.
 
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