Just another incident:

[RF667799]

I'll try again, but I don't see why this is complex for you.

WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT CRIMINALS AND THE MENTALLY UNSOUND SOURCE THEIR GUNS FROM? I even said it loudly in case you are hard of hearing

It's a very simple, and very relevant question if we have any interest at all in preventing unnecessary deaths. You can of course just go off on another deflection to avoid the discussion, but if that is your intent, why not just state that you don't want to have this discussion and I will move on to other things. That'll save you having to dream up more deflections.

What was all that nonsense about me saying I had answered your question? Am I just supposed to ignore such blatant lying?

 

[Ishm]

What was all that nonsense about me saying I had answered your question? Am I just supposed to ignore such blatant lying?

It's pointless trying to have a straight, fact based, stay on topic discussion with you and some of your 'friends'. I'll leave you to continue with your deflections.

 

[CLAX1911]

It's pointless trying to have a straight, fact based, stay on topic discussion with you and some of your 'friends'.

Meaning we aren't playing fair and you're storming off

I'll leave you to continue with your deflections.

Yeah take your ball and go home.

 

[RF667799]

It's pointless trying to have a straight, fact based, stay on topic discussion with you and some of your 'friends'. I'll leave you to continue with your deflections.

After making unsupported claims, demanding answers to fallacious rhetorical questions, and a barrage of lies...perhaps you should just move along. You'll do your side no favors by digging yourself deeper.

 

[stealthycat]

Where do the bad and mentally unstable people get their guns from???

Mexico, other criminals, they steal, ............. where they get their weapons from is irrelevant really, if its guns, knives, ball bats ..... any weapon they use is really irrelavent

the core problem is the bad people

 

[stealthycat]

Well, he did equate it to "personal gratification".

That's how we know he has fun by hiring someone to kill animals for him.

I think he means like watching your grandbaby for a day or going to Six Flags or Disney Land

its not "fun" like that -

 

[RF667799]

I think he means like watching your grandbaby for a day or going to Six Flags or Disney Land

its not "fun" like that -

He equated it to "personal satisfaction". I would say he is right that "fun" includes that, coupled with a sense of enjoyment.

Which easily describes someone sitting down to a chicken dinner. Having fun at the expense of an animal. An animal that was converted into an object of enjoyment, by hiring someone to kill it.

 

[Ishm]

Mexico, other criminals, they steal, ............. where they get their weapons from is irrelevant really, if its guns, knives, ball bats ..... any weapon they use is really irrelavent

the core problem is the bad people

According to the latest comprehensive study I could find, of the guns used in crimes and traced back to their original source,
- 70% came from a dealer
- 23% came from a pawn broker
- 6% came straight from the manufacturer
- 1% came from "other"
So your "Mexico" source is among that 1%.

Guns used in crimes, according to the above must come from:
- Inadequate purchasing controls
- Inadequate selling controls (private sales, gun shows etc)
- Lawful owners inadvertently feeding the criminal markets
- Lawful owners deliberately feeding the criminal market
- Theft of unsecured guns from lawful owners

Have I forgotten any other potential sources based on the results of an actual study rather than rhetoric?

 

[RF667799]

According to the latest comprehensive study I could find, of the guns used in crimes and traced back to their original source,
- 70% came from a dealer
- 23% came from a pawn broker
- 6% came straight from the manufacturer
- 1% came from "other"
So your "Mexico" source is among that 1%.

Guns used in crimes, according to the above must come from:
- Inadequate purchasing controls
- Inadequate selling controls (private sales, gun shows etc)
- Lawful owners inadvertently feeding the criminal markets
- Lawful owners deliberately feeding the criminal market
- Theft of unsecured guns from lawful owners

Have I forgotten any other potential sources based on the results of an actual study rather than rhetoric?

So your question was rhetorical, and didn't have an absolute answer.

Like I was telling people...



So anyway...it looks like you blame guns owners, gun manufacturers, and gun dealers for the bullshit that miscreants get up to when left to their own devices.

 

[Ishm]

So your question was rhetorical, and didn't have an absolute answer.

Like I was telling people...



So anyway...it looks like you blame guns owners, gun manufacturers, and gun dealers for the bullshit that miscreants get up to when left to their own devices.

Reading comprehension issues?? I asked where YOU THINK the guns come from. Nothing remotely rhetorical about that. You just did your usual deflections to avoid answering it. And now, presented with facts to discuss, you just run off into gun lobby rhetoric again. If we keep going long enough you will end up saying 2A, 2A, 2A rather than ever actually discussing the question of how criminals and the mentally ill get their hands on the guns they use. I'll leave you to talk to yourself now.

 

[RF667799]

Reading comprehension issues?? I asked where YOU THINK the guns come from. Nothing remotely rhetorical about that. You just did your usual deflections to avoid answering it. And now, presented with facts to discuss, you just run off into gun lobby rhetoric again. If we keep going long enough you will end up saying 2A, 2A, 2A rather than ever actually discussing the question of how criminals and the mentally ill get their hands on the guns they use. I'll leave you to talk to yourself now.

What would it matter where I think they come from, if you had what you think are the correct answers at hand? That's a function of your question being rhetorical. You just wanted to recite your little speech, no matter if I had also correctly noted that ALL guns ultimately originate at a manufacturer.

And still no apology for the lies you told about what I said.

 

[Beruit 1978]

Killing for fun is much more honorable
/s

Do you know anything at all about hunting and conservation?

Little anecdote, you can research to verify if you like. Years back, when I was a young man, late 70s, early 80s, Pennsylvania decided that hunters shouldn't hunt does. Several counties simply stopped issuing doe tags, making it illegal to take a doe. A population explosion ensued. The deer chowed down on all the things that deer eat, and some things that deer don't normally eat. Winter comes along, and thousands of deer starve in the forest. The deer that survive are malnourished, and produce offspring that are stunted. There are tens of thousands of stunted pygmy deer wandering the forests that can't even reach the browse that the previous generations were able to reach. It was simply pitiful. Finally, the activists relented, it became legal to take does again, and the population recovered over the course of about 4 or 5 years.

Never forget - HUNTERS provide most of the funds used for conservation. HUNTERS have more interest in conservation than any number of "green" activists. HUNTERS keep the wildlife healthy, not PETA or any other group of fools lobbying congress to stop hunting. The Fish and Game commission (or whatever name they go by in the other states) primary revenue source is HUNTERS. The next time you visit a park, and you DON'T see the carcasses of starved deer and other animals littering the forest floor, be sure to thank a HUNTER.

 

[Safiel]

I am going to fill, as I typically do, my entire deer quota in North Carolina, 6 total, 2 antlered, 4 antlerless.

Four of those animals will be donated to the homeless/hungry, as I typically do every year. The meat of the other two will be for my own use.

I have been hunting since age 7, as have my children.

Early in my career, I managed a slaughterhouse which typically processed 1,500 to 1,600 head of spent dairy cows a day. I would occasionally go out and take my place in the line when necessary, including both sides of the kill box, (loading/stunning) and (unloading/chaining/bleeding out).

Hunting is merely the flip side of what I did commercially.

 

[Noodlegawd]

how about a law that says its illegal to shoot someone ?

do we need more laws than that ?

Yeah. I think another one that specifically applies to house parties would help.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

OMG !! city violence where blacks shoot blacks at parties .... you're right, another incident of ITS THE PEOPLE THAT IS THE PROBLEM

meanwhile in Arkansas with a .330 blackout AR

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She would have achieved the same result with a bolt action .270.

I don’t care about ARs either way, but they aren’t the ideal deer hunting rifle.

 

[RF667799]

She would have achieved the same result with a bolt action .270.

Which means that what she used was just as adequate.

I don’t care about ARs either way, but they aren’t the ideal deer hunting rifle.

Nothing is.

 

[stealthycat]

She would have achieved the same result with a bolt action .270.

I don’t care about ARs either way, but they aren’t the ideal deer hunting rifle.

true - many calibers would have worked

but that one was her choice

you don't have to drive a nice car - you can drive an old beater .... you get to choose
you don't have to use quality cutlery, you can use cheap walmart stuff - you get to choose

 

[stealthycat]

According to the latest comprehensive study I could find, of the guns used in crimes and traced back to their original source,
- 70% came from a dealer
- 23% came from a pawn broker
- 6% came straight from the manufacturer
- 1% came from "other"
So your "Mexico" source is among that 1%.

I say BS .... criminals/mentally ill have to fill out background checks - they'd be failing those buying guns legally

Guns used in crimes, according to the above must come from:
- Inadequate purchasing controls
- Inadequate selling controls (private sales, gun shows etc)
- Lawful owners inadvertently feeding the criminal markets
- Lawful owners deliberately feeding the criminal market
- Theft of unsecured guns from lawful owners

Have I forgotten any other potential sources based on the results of an actual study rather than rhetoric?

the problem is the people wanting to lie/steal/get around checks/etc to buy guns to kill

 

[Peter]

Gun fans will never see the connection between gun violence and guns.
I have zero faith they will change their mind no matter what tragedy happens.

 

[RF667799]

Gun fans will never see the connection between gun violence and guns.
I have zero faith they will change their mind no matter what tragedy happens.

The connection between "gun violence" and guns is exactly like the connection between "rope violence" and ropes.

Do you see something else?

 

[Peter]

The connection between "gun violence" and guns is exactly like the connection between "rope violence" and ropes.

Do you see something else?

Yes I do.
The mass vailabilty of guns in the US is a problem.
People like you refuse to accept that simple fact.

 

[RF667799]

Yes I do.
The mass vailabilty of guns in the US is a problem.
People like you refuse to accept that simple fact.

It's not a problem to me. It's a benefit. How is it a problem to you?

What happened to your "connection" bullshit?