Juno actor Ellen Page publicly comes out as a transgender male named Elliot and tells fans in a statement: 'My pronouns are he/they' - as wife of two

[lwf]

Yes, "good manners". In the meantime, whatever words can we make nearly meaningless to make you happy?

More hyperbole. No words have been made meaningless. You just are uncomfortable with change.

 

[buck]

More hyperbole. No words have been made meaningless. You just are uncomfortable with change.

The definition that was just changed a few months ago... that you really like:

Woman: a person with qualities traditionally associated with females.

What does that even mean. How many qualities? What qualities? What tradition? If a woman is wearing blue jeans, cowboy hat and boots, Are they now a man? If a woman has short hair.. Are they now a man? A girl that likes playing sports with boys and likes bugs (tom-boy).. Are they now a man? What is required? It's become meaningless.

Now, I know what you really want it to mean. You really want it to mean: Whatever that woman feels like is what she is. She wants to be a man for an hour? She's a man. After that she wants to be a woman? She's a woman. Even more meaningless.

Woman: an adult female person.

That actually means something.

 

[Mika-El]

Bisexual is attraction to both men and women
Pansexual is attracted to "all gender identities"
Asexual is having no sexual attraction

There are also terms like Bi-romantic, Pan-romantic, Aromantic, etc. These are based on romantic attraction rather than sexual attraction.

Is it just me or are people who do not want to be labelled quick to create all kinds of labels? The irony in coming up with so many damn terms its it just makes it easier to stereotype people. The only difference is the person who wants to be stereotyped wants you to use their steretype of themselves.

 

[dixon01767]

wom·an
/ˈwo͝omən/

noun
noun: woman; plural noun: women

1. an adult female human being.

Exactly what the person you are responding to said.

Actually he said-

But woman does not mean female.

I suspect you are the one and only person here who cant detect the difference. Ideology does that to a persons brain. Almost fascinating to watch.

 

[Mika-El]

Yes, "good manners". In the meantime, whatever words can we make nearly meaningless to make you happy?

Penal. It can be used to describe a gland, colony, criminal procedure and someone who plays the piano could be confused as a practicing penis. I think we should call penises motorcycles or cigars or guns. Then again I am Freudian.

Also I think we need to take back the word ***** because wonderful cats all across the world are being confused with the Bermuda Triangle and home plate.

Also I am Canadian and our national animal is the Beaver. You have any idea how we feel about that word being used for other things?

Also I think any terms Miley Cyrus or the Kardashians use in relation to anything remotely sexual should be banned from you tube, twitter and facebook.

Also tell Dutch people to stop with their story of the boy sticking his finger in the dike. No. Its just not righjt.

Thank you.

 

[dixon01767]

I claimed not all women are female and provided the dictionary definition that proves me right.

I was refuting your claim-

But woman does not mean female.

And your dictionary definition proves you wrong. I don't expect you to understand.

 

[buck]

Penal. It can be used to describe a gland, colony, criminal procedure and someone who plays the piano could be confused as a practicing penis. I think we should call penises motorcycles or cigars or guns. Then again I am Freudian.

Also I think we need to take back the word ***** because wonderful cats all across the world are being confused with the Bermuda Triangle and home plate.

Also I am Canadian and our national animal is the Beaver. You have any idea how we feel about that word being used for other things?

Also I think any terms Miley Cyrus or the Kardashians use in relation to anything remotely sexual should be banned from you tube, twitter and facebook.

Also tell Dutch people to stop with their story of the boy sticking his finger in the dike. No. Its just not righjt.

Thank you.

OK. That's funny. But, I don't believe that one word having multiple, or regional definitions is quite the same thing. We can disagree, though.

I've been watching Arrested Development on Netflix and, assuming they weren't lying to me, being called a ***** is a compliment in Britain.

 

[dixon01767]

What does that even mean. How many qualities? What qualities? What tradition?

Based upon the typical transgendered woman, big titties, lots of makeup and dress like a whore.

 

[ProgressPlease]

In psychology/psychiatry the term "asexual" is considered problematic. It may be there are people with no sexual attraction it is possible however what is more likely is that peope who want to be called that, supress their sexual feelings or are on medication that takes away their sexual drive or they may indeed have a defficiency in hormones that prevents them from having a sex drive but in most cases are people who choose to repress or contain their sexual attraction.

Many who identify as Asexual ("ACE") are teen girls and young women. There is even an ACE flag. Many of these girls/women are looking for an opt-out of what feels to them as a future being objectified and potentially exploited sexually. Many girls have been introduced to sex via the internet which is horrifying. It is a warped version of the female they think they need to be and helps to shape how they expect to be treated by men. Young men are also getting a warped idea of sex and of women but that is another thread.

Many of the natal females who are identifying as male are also feeling this way. There is an exponential increase in teen girls identifying as male. Many are seeing this as a protective shell.

 

[buck]

Many who identify as Asexual ("ACE") are teen girls and young women. There is even an ACE flag. Many of these girls/women are looking for an opt-out of what feels to them as a future being objectified and potentially exploited sexually. Many girls have been introduced to sex via the internet which is horrifying. It is a warped version of the female they think they need to be and helps to shape how they expect to be treated by men. Young men are also getting a warped idea of sex and of women but that is another thread.

Many of the natal females who are identifying as male are also feeling this way. There is an exponential increase in teen girls identifying as male. Many are seeing this as a protective shell.

Abigail Shrier talked about this in her book and subsequent interviews. She talked about girls body image impacting the increase in Trans identifying. Porn and social media (snapchat, etc) would certainly have an impact on that.

 

[Mika-El]

Many who identify as Asexual ("ACE") are teen girls and young women. There is even an ACE flag. Many of these girls/women are looking for an opt-out of what feels to them as a future being objectified and potentially exploited sexually. Many girls have been introduced to sex via the internet which is horrifying. It is a warped version of the female they think they need to be and helps to shape how they expect to be treated by men. Young men are also getting a warped idea of sex and of women but that is another thread.

Many of the natal females who are identifying as male are also feeling this way. There is an exponential increase in teen girls identifying as male. Many are seeing this as a protective shell.

Well stated. Thank you. Susinct. I get it and its unfortunate. No one should have to feel so overwhelmed by our social conflicting signals but its not suprising. We have allowed our media and people selling products to sexualize children before they are ready to embrace and adapt to the confusion of puberty. For the very reasons you state eating disorders and body dysmorphia and unrealistic body images pushed upon all of us to sell music, products, entertainment has led to this and its a pity.

We have polluted the world making it impossible for children to be children and teens to be free of adults telling them how they must feel.

I am so gald you said what you did. Years of working in sex crimes with horrible people and abused children all I can say to you, is a person like me would simply say to teens and children and the abused-it all comes down to you no one else. You must feel ok about yourself. As long as you are stuck with other peoples' thoughts in your head that do not belong there you will hurt. Be you. Its there. It will be ok. I wish more people got it like you. We are as humans an invasive species trying to impose things on others. Let the soul or self speak for you not anyone else. Is it possible to remain innocent these dasys?

 

[bluesmoke]

Well first, I haven't lost anything. If declaring that because I didn't provide you with links that you would just dismiss is some sort of victory for you enjoy stroking your ego. But know if it's a victory it's when I let you have. Not when you earned.

Second I'm not here to "win" debates. I don't have that big of an ego I'm here to discuss things, like an adult.
first if you want to play Battle with somebody go find somebody that wants to play with you. I grew out of that nonsense long ago. Second whoever's recording it can beat themselves off to how much they've won or lost. I'm not here for a scorecard.

Third, any of your wins with me are wins I placed in your hand I permitted you to have them and I could yank them out at any time.

And I think that's exactly why you people complain about this constantly, instead of just going away. You don't get a victory.

You can say just about anything, or nothing, to get out of genuine debate. But, you don't know debate protocol. Debates are about winning and losing. What do you think a debate is? It could be about winning a particular point in the debate, as there can be several or many, or winning the overall debate. That's all part of debate.

 

[mrjurrs]

Actually he said-



I suspect you are the one and only person here who cant detect the difference. Ideology does that to a persons brain. Almost fascinating to watch.

Your theme is so tired. Forget reading 'Dick and Jane'. Come with us into the present, where we know more than when you learned it.

 

[dixon01767]

Your theme is so tired. Forget reading 'Dick and Jane'. Come with us into the present, where we know more than when you learned it.

I was reading the dictionary, not Dick and Jane and in the present, I know LWF said

But woman does not mean female.

Even he has changed his argument to

Not all women are female.

 

[mrjurrs]

I was reading the dictionary, not Dick and Jane and in the present, I know LWF said



Even he has changed his argument to

Whatever. Ellen Page is happy, and I'm happy for however he describes himself.

 

[lwf]

I suspect you are the one and only person here who cant detect the difference. Ideology does that to a persons brain. Almost fascinating to watch.

Detect the difference between what? A woman and a female?

 

[lwf]

I know LWF said

But woman does not mean female.


Even he has changed his argument to

Not all women are female.

If not all women are female, then woman does not mean the same thing as female.

Not all dogs are terriers, therefore dog does not mean terrier, correct?

 

[dixon01767]

Whatever. Ellen Page is happy, and I'm happy for however he describes himself.

And this has what to do with anything Ive stated? Why attach it as a response to my post?

 

[mrjurrs]

And this has what to do with anything Ive stated? Why attach it as a response to my post?

Because you won't look at the science no matter what anyone says. Your views, in light of current understanding, are uninformed.

 

[CLAX1911]

You can say just about anything, or nothing, to get out of genuine debate. But, you don't know debate protocol. Debates are about winning and losing.

I don't enter discussion to win or lose if it frustrates you that I don't do this then maybe you shouldn't interact with me.

What do you think a debate is? It could be about winning a particular point in the debate, as there can be several or many, or winning the overall debate. That's all part of debate.

winning a debate doesn't make the point you're driving correct, it just means you're more witty than your opponent.

This is why I don't value it. if you want to play that game go find somebody else. My purpose here is more intellectual.

 

[dixon01767]

Because you won't look at the science no matter what anyone says. Your views, in light of current understanding, are uninformed.

What LWF actually stated AND the definition in the dictionary, doesn't require any science to determine.

 

[mrjurrs]

What LWF actually stated AND the definition in the dictionary, doesn't require any science to determine.

Scientists don't care about dictionary definitions and I have no idea what lwf means.

 

[dixon01767]

Scientists don't care about dictionary definitions and I have no idea what lwf means.

When you say

Exactly what the person you are responding to said.

LWF would be that "person" you are referring to and dictionaries are still the authority of what words mean, not science. AND LWF's posts recorded in the forum are still the authority on what LWF has said. No amount of science will change any of this.

 

[mrjurrs]

When you say



LWF would be that "person" you are referring to and dictionaries are still the authority of what words mean, not science. AND LWF's posts recorded in the forum are still the authority on what LWF has said. No amount of science will change any of this.

Really, you think dictionaries changed their definition of Pluto before scientists determined it wasn't a planet?

 

[buck]

Based upon the typical transgendered woman, big titties, lots of makeup and dress like a whore.

Even someone with those qualities, can still be a man based on the belief of LWF. It's just meaningless.