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Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

One of the side effects being death of the teenage girl is a bit concerning.

But I'm sure they all would read the long 2 point type warnings and advise like we all do for any pills receive. You know, fold out that paper and read all the tiny print very carefully. Teenagers are always particularly careful to follow instructions before doing anything, particularly long, tiny print legalistic instructions with lots of technical terms.
 

It should be a behind the counter non-prescription drug for that reason, but I also think a data base should be kept.

"Aspirin" in not a good analogy. Although very rare, the can cause death if the teen does not know the warning signs.
 
joko104 said:
It should be a behind the counter non-prescription drug for that reason, but I also think a data base should be kept.

"Aspirin" in not a good analogy. Although very rare, the can cause death if the teen does not know the warning signs.
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Yeah, I think that would probably be best.

And aspirin probably wasn't the best analogy, but the fact is, just about every drug can be dangerous for some people. It's just that those drugs are not related to sex.
 
Henrin said:
Teaching your children is your responsibility first as a parent. There is nothing wrong with holding to the idea that schools are there to prepare children for a career and the parents are there to prepare them for life.
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And when that fails? What do we do then? Make childrens lives worse because their parents are a-holes? I thought every life was important.
 

Hmm. One of the side effects of pregnancy is death too. What are we to do?
 
Bonzai said:
As I used to argue with Shal--------Abortion pill or your daughter bearing the offspring of some dawg she let mount her in a teenaged drunken stupor........................
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Good morning Bonz - hope you're well and having fun.

As for the question, I'd respond - 13 yr old daughter going through it alone or with the help of her mom and/or dad or even an older sibling who can talk with and listen to her after the fact, discuss the consequences, and help her feel good about herself moving forward. Some things in life require a level of emotional development that most 13 yr olds haven't yet acquired.
 
minnie616 said:
The morning after pill prevents ovulation and keeps an egg from being fertilized. If fertilization has already taken place the morning after pill does not keep it from implanting nor does it cause an abortion of an implanted zygote/embryo.
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True enough, and does nothing to ask a 13 yr old girl why she has so little self respect for herself and her body that she allowed herself to get into the situation in the first place. Stripping down the potential pregnancy of a 13 yr old to the clinical medical details does nothing to assist a young adult to grow and learn from her mistakes, unless, of course, you're a person who believes that 13 yr old girls should enjoy promiscuity as a normal course of elementary school graduation.
 

Wow ...just wow...
Nothing like putting words in my mouth I never said.

My post was only facts about how Plan B works.

You have a right to your own opinion but you do have a right to make up a scenario and accuse me of promoting promiscuity in a 13 old girl.

Stepping off my soapbox now...
 
At what point in a kid's life should the parent no longer be held responsible for the kid's actions? For example, if the kid can obtain the 'morning after' medication w/o parental consent why should the parent be held responsible for the kids food, clothing, etc, or for that matter schooling? Just asking.
 

I raised two daughters, long since gone. I didn’t have many rules but no sex until they finished H.S. or until they reached their legal age. When it came to my rules, I would sit them down and in a low, quiet voice told them exactly what I expected. As far as I know, they followed that rule. Once they reached the legal age of 18, both went on birth control pills. But I had a another rule. As long as they lived under my roof, neither was to get pregnant until they married. Neither did. My oldest daughter moved out at the age of 19 and got married. My youngest daughter lived under my roof until she was she was 30, got married and finally moved out.

I don’t buy all this talk of teenagers are going to do what they are going to do. My oldest daughter lives across the road from me, she has had two daughters, one out of H.S. now and married and one still in H.S., as far as either one of know, neither had sex in H.S. She passed down the same rules I passed on to her. My youngest daughter has a daughter now age 4 and a little boy less than a year. My oldest daughter has also raised two boys, one in the army who has served a year in Afghanistan and one who just graduated from H.S. Neither one of those ever got a girl pregnant either.

So I would say those of my family do not believe a teenager is going to do what ever a teenager does, taboo or not. That is modern day poppycock.
 
What sort of individual concerns themselves with the intimate details of their grandchildren's sexual experiences?
 
Then you support gun control??? :shock:
 

There is a tendency on the right to view everything through a moral lens. Therefore, a 13 year old child can not be merely ignorant; she must have little self respect. A wanting to prevent a child from getting pregnant means that you are promoting promiscuity
 
Manc Skipper said:
What sort of individual concerns themselves with the intimate details of their grandchildren's sexual experiences?
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A grandparent who loves their grandchildren and wishes to hand down some wisdom.
 
sangha said:
The time for teaching their child about sex has passed
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Then I suggest you avoid being a mentor in a child's life. Any time you can teach a child to have a more responsible sex life is good. Some may take time and many mistakes, but it is wrong to just say you can't teach them just because of one mistake or just because they are having sex.



I'm saying that they don't leave all upset in a hurry just to rush to get Plan B if they think they have at least a day or 3. But along with that, if they make that first one, no pregnancy, then they begin to trust that Plan B will work for them and it is more convenient than other forms of birth control. It isn't a contradiction, but an observation of how many humans act/think. Convenience is enticing to many young people, especially when it is connected to saving their butts from something they fear, like pregnancy. Unfortunately, Plan B is not affordable to most teens, particularly on a regular basis, but teens won't consider this fact for the most part because they are in fact teenagers.

You are missing the point completely. No one is perfect. They can't know that they didn't do a good job at teaching their children about sex if their teen is able to hide potential problems because of the convenience of purchasing emergency birth control. Parents aren't mind readers and children do not come with instruction books, such as "how to talk to your child about sex in a way that they will never have unprotected sex that could lead to pregnancy or diseases". That isn't how parenting works.
 
roguenuke said:
Except there is no proof that this action will lead to fewer unwanted children or teenage mothers.
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lol really? I would think that since its proven to work, every single pill taken represents a potentially unwanted child that will never be born. If one fertilized woman takes it for its desired purpose, how does that not instantly mean fewer (by one at least) unwanted children?

"No hypothesis ought to be maintained if a single phenomenon stands in direct opposition to it." - Lord Bolingbroke


Just because someone has an unwanted child later doesn't change the fact that they don't have one now. Besides, Plan B is only now becoming readily available...
 

I don't even think "moral" is the right word. I would say "punitive". If something bad happens, conservatives first impulse is to blame and punish somebody instead of trying to solve the problem.

What's really happening in the Plan B debate in the minds of conservatives is something like: the girl had teen sex, so let's punish her by forcing her to have the child. That'll teach her!.

They overlay that with moralizing about abortion (totally bogus since Plan B isn't an abortion pill) and the end of America due to declining values. But the real point is for conservatives -- let's punish the girl!
 

Which is why I never said that you can't teach them because of one mistake. What I did say is that the time should not be used as an excuse to delay or prevent the child from preventing a pregnancy.



Actually, there is little to no evidence that the regular use of Plan B instead of more appropriate forms of BC will result from this, and as you point out, it's not economically feasible for teens.

Part of doing a good job as a parent is gaining the trust and respect of your child so if and when they get in trouble, they come to you (or at least some other adult). In my family, we make it clear that they can come to us for help *and* support, and that while we don't approve of mistakes, we will help them deal with it. Parenting is about more than just dispending information.
 
sangha said:
Yeah, I think that would probably be best.

And aspirin probably wasn't the best analogy, but the fact is, just about every drug can be dangerous for some people. It's just that those drugs are not related to sex.
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And hence the real fundie agenda here. Don't the conservatives blather endlessly about deregulating the FDA and allowing drug compaines to get products on the market without complete testing? It's one of their favorite talking points. I guess it only applies to drugs that don't involve women having control of their reproduction. That's going too far for the Palin types.
 

It's how the conservative mind works: confronted with facts that countradict their vapid memes, they counterattack and shout, forget the facts, you're promoting immorality.

And we are back to the endless conservative loop. It's promotes immorality to educate kids about sex, and when these uneducated kids have sex, it promotes immorality to help them avoid pregnancies with Plan B. And thus they can continue to bemoan the state of morality in the US unhindered by a coherent way to do something about it.
 
head of joaquin said:
It's how the conservative mind works: confronted with facts that countradict their vapid memes, they counterattack and shout, forget the facts, you're promoting immorality.
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Sorta like progressives on gun control....

head of joaquin said:
Thank God. At long last. Looks like that Marxist Obama has outwitted the tea baggers and boomsticklovers again!
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head of joaquin said:
Gun pornography.

Joaquin's Law: boomsticklovers can't make more than 10 posts before introducing gun porn.
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Right. Just because a child is yours, why should you feed it? Just don't abort a fetus, that would be wrong. Once it pops out, it is on its own.
 

I didn't accuse you of anything or put any words in your mouth - however, if you're feeling guilty about your position in this matter, I can totally understand how you'd feel very uncomfortable.
 
head of joaquin said:
I don't even think "moral" is the right word. I would say "punitive". If something bad happens, conservatives first impulse is to blame and punish somebody instead of trying to solve the problem.
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How true!
 
CanadaJohn said:
I didn't accuse you of anything or put any words in your mouth - however, if you're feeling guilty about your position in this matter, I can totally understand how you'd feel very uncomfortable.
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Not uncomfortable at all about my position on this matter.
My position is that plan B prevents pregnancy but does not cause an abortion.
 
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