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Judge: Ohio Homeless Voters Can List Park Benches as Addresses

sazerac said:
You have no right to vote for the mayor if you don't have a legal address in the town.

What about my right to make decisions with other legal residents and not with mentally disturbed homeless people led around on a leash by left wing activists?
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So now ALL homeless are now mentally disturbed?

I could make the same arguments with wanting to make decision with other legal residents and not mentally disturbed conservatives that think Obama is a Muslim. How's that work for you?
 
1069 said:
It's still not universal.
Prisoners can't vote. In many states, convicted felons can't ever vote again
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They had a universal right to vote until they made the conscious decision to commit a felony that caused them to be removed from the voter rolls.

The homeless have difficulty voting.
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And I have difficulty dunking on a regulation hoop. Doesn't mean I don't have the same right as anyone else to do it.

In NYS, any homeless person can register and vote the exact same way as anyone else.
 
It's been a long employed political tactic to round up homeless people on election day, hand out 40s or needles or whatever it is they want and tell them which lever to pull.

It's almost as time-honored as the dead voting.
 
TheNextEra said:
So now ALL homeless are now mentally disturbed?
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Either mentally disturbed or drug abusers.


I could make the same arguments with wanting to make decision with other legal residents and not mentally disturbed conservatives that think Obama is a Muslim. How's that work for you?
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If you have a legal adress and you are a citizens you can be as stupid as you like.
 
sazerac said:
Either mentally disturbed or drug abusers.
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You obviously don't know any homeless people then, just silly generalizations. When you actually have a clue about it let us know.

sazerac said:
If you have a legal adress and you are a citizens you can be as stupid as you like.
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Well thank goodness the judge doesn't agree with you that you need a permanent address. Deal with it.
 
I don't think fraud is the central issue here. If a person walks in to vote and their address is listed as a park bench or an intersection, 9 times out of 10 you're going to take one look at them and know they're homeless. People who have never been genuinely homeless can't really fake it. I've worked in enough soup kitchens and shelters to know. Also, a lot of people can cast absentee ballots by registering at shelters, but shelters can only accommodate so many people. If a shelter has 30 beds, and 40 people want to register to vote using that address, 10 people are at risk for having their registration voided. Shelters are mostly good for helping them fill out the forms, especially if they can't read or write, but the shelter can't, on paper, register hundreds of people beyond its capacity.

Homeless people are another political stratum in our society. Many are keenly aware of which politicians have which disposition towards them and will vote accordingly, and many (surprise surprise) know how to read the newspaper as well as engage in political discussion just as we do here. Many are just as eager to exercise their democratic participation as everyone else. Branding them all as mentally ill is a perfect illustration of the myopic view that society has towards them, which is why the vote is so important to many homeless people: they want to vote out politicians who look upon them as incapable dirt. When was the last time you actually sat and spoke with a homeless person? They may be far more aware of the nation's politics than even you are.

Writing a park bench, an intersection, or alley way as your address is not only acceptable, it is their reality. I agree that it's not a perfect system to let them do this, but if we had a perfect system they wouldn't be homeless in the first place, so I suggest we let it slide. If you are worried about fraud, there are far greater risks from the ballot machines being tampered with than there are from 3.5 million homeless people living in the U.S.
 
disneydude said:
There is no easy solution to the problem. Unfortunately, there are large numbers of homeless people in this country. Shelters provide for some, but not all. Even then, shelters are only temporary.

It may surprise some of you to know that listing a "park bench" as an address is not all that uncommon. For instance, in California, a lot of people who have to register as sex offenders are homeless due to horrible laws such as "Jessica's law" that make it virtually impossible for them to find housing.
The result of these laws (which voters thought were "get tough on crime" measures - because it was sold to them that way) is that the police actually have less supervision of these offenders. The law requires them to register yearly and whenever they move. If they are homeless, they have to register every 30 days and give the general vicinity of where they have set up camp.
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I think diddling childeren should be cause to make the rest of your life miserable. You don't?
 
TBone said:
"Garlic to vampire." So, tell me how conservatives under GW have been accountable? Did I miss the headlines. Trolling? or Dillusional?
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responding to equal nonsense., you shouldn't do the selective outrage thing. I expect better from you. ;)


I see no problem. Whats the difference between a bum on the street and the ones in GW's Cabinet? :lol:

Tongue in cheek. Hell the GOP cheated in Ohio and Florida the last two elections. It's our turn. :rofl
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so is ACORN cheating?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I think diddling childeren should be cause to make the rest of your life miserable. You don't?
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As usual....you missed the point. The point I was making was not about making sex offenders lives miserable, it was about making the lives of ordinary citizens miserable because they vote without understanding the consequences of their vote. That's why I say in this election, think before you vote.

Side note: Not all people required to register as sex offenders are child molesters. In California, you have to register for things like misdemeanor sexual battery (grabbing a woman's butt in a bar), statutory rape (a 19 year old, 17 year old consensual sex), Date rape (which include some instances of mistaken lack of consent).
So....although you want to draw black/white lines, the vast majority lie in the gray area.

So please don't misconstrue my posts with a 5 second knee-jerk soap box response. Think before you respond.
 
disneydude said:
As usual....you missed the point. The point I was making was not about making sex offenders lives miserable, it was about making the lives of ordinary citizens miserable because they vote without understanding the consequences of their vote. That's why I say in this election, think before you vote.

Side note: Not all people required to register as sex offenders are child molesters. In California, you have to register for things like misdemeanor sexual battery (grabbing a woman's butt in a bar), statutory rape (a 19 year old, 17 year old consensual sex), Date rape (which include some instances of mistaken lack of consent).
So....although you want to draw black/white lines, the vast majority lie in the gray area.

So please don't misconstrue my posts with a 5 second knee-jerk soap box response. Think before you respond.
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How many cases in california involve what you say? link please counselor.
 
new coup for you said:
It's been a long employed political tactic to round up homeless people on election day, hand out 40s or needles or whatever it is they want and tell them which lever to pull.

It's almost as time-honored as the dead voting.
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Republicans have no shame.

Thanks!
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Really, how so. How am I stating bums don't have a right to vote...


Libs are acting pretty silly today. :roll:
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Well, let's put this horse to rest.
OK you agree that the homeless have a right to vote.

Do you think that voters should have to have an address in order to vote?
 
sazerac said:
It's a fact. Democrats have to commit fraud to win elections. And it's easy for them because they have no morals.
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Can you show proof of actual Voting fraud? I'm guessing no, you can't.

See that is the problem with Conservatives this election, they can't even fathom that the public is sick of the GOP right now and may vote Obama Pres as well as a Dem congress so it MUST be voting fraud to them if it happens.

Puuuuuuhhhhhlease.
 
Slippery Slope said:
Well, let's put this horse to rest.
OK you agree that the homeless have a right to vote.

Do you think that voters should have to have an address in order to vote?
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Not really. I think though there needs to be a way to identify a voter to prevent fraud and multiple voting in multiple districts...

If you had "no address" per say, what is to stop you from voting for mayor in NY if you live on a park bench in miami?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Not really. I think though there needs to be a way to identify a voter to prevent fraud and multiple voting in multiple districts...

If you had "no address" per say, what is to stop you from voting for mayor in NY if you live on a park bench in miami?
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And likewise, how is a homeless person supposed to vote if an address is required? I suppose you don't really care if you disenfranchise them do you?

I mean they are only homeless right? :roll:
 
TheNextEra said:
And likewise, how is a homeless person supposed to vote if an address is required? I suppose you don't really care if you disenfranchise them do you?

I mean they are only homeless right? :roll:
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As I asked DD, I will ask you to cut the drama queen act. :roll:

Did you even read what I posted?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
As I asked DD, I will ask you to cut the drama queen act. :roll:

Did you even read what I posted?
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Yes, I did read it, you said have them register at shelters. Well shelters come and go, so if the shelter they are registered at happened to shut down before election, how can they vote?

So again, do you care if you are disenfranchising the homeless from voting?
 
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