Judge lifts injunction on 'DC madam' phone records

[rivrrat]

:lol: That's what I was thinking too. Pay phone, cash, and some rented car. It really doesn't require more thought than that, but you know how men can be when it comes to sex. All logic and thoughts go out the window.

Because some men like to brag about "who they are". Many men are very forthcoming with information about themselves; especially if the visits are repeated.

 

[RightinNYC]

We all know what men think with when it comes to sex. :2razz:

Our hearts?

 

[WI Crippler]

Because some men like to brag about "who they are". Many men are very forthcoming with information about themselves; especially if the visits are repeated.

Thats because men are champions of truth (except when lying about where we were), and women lie about themselves to men on every level possible.

 

[politic_analyst]

Would we have any guarantees that the records were not tampered with even if we get to see the documents?

 

[Kandahar]

I agree!

Because they make it their business who we sleep with.

When these stories show up in the news media, somehow I think the distinction between congressmen who do that, and congressmen who don't do that, will get lost.

 

[Kandahar]

It is my business because they are the ones who are setting themselves up as paragons of virtue, and trying to tell me how to run my life. Otherwise, I would not even care. When they are telling everyone "Do as I say, not as I do", then the American people have a right to know how hypocritical they are. You see, its not the sleeping around, its the hypocrisy.

You don't even know which congressmen are on this list yet, so you have absolutely no basis for that claim. You're preemptively deciding that the "guilty" congressmen must have been advocating sexual purity their whole lives, before you even know their names.

 

[rivrrat]

Thats because men are champions of truth (except when lying about where we were), and women lie about themselves to men on every level possible.

only because men are wussies who can't handle the truth. :2razz:

 

[WI Crippler]

only because men are wussies who can't handle the truth. :2razz:

You are correct :2razz:

Wear your bras, put on your make up, wear those heels. Pretend like you've only slept with 3 guys before me.

I don't think I'd like to see or hear the truth. :lol:

 

[Binary_Digit]

You don't even know which congressmen are on this list yet, so you have absolutely no basis for that claim. You're preemptively deciding that the "guilty" congressmen must have been advocating sexual purity their whole lives, before you even know their names.

Until they legalize prostitution, it's hypocritical for them to visit one isn't it? But they don't try to legalize it because it'd be bad for their votes. So they pretend to be more sexually "pure" than they really are.

 

[danarhea]

You don't even know which congressmen are on this list yet, so you have absolutely no basis for that claim. You're preemptively deciding that the "guilty" congressmen must have been advocating sexual purity their whole lives, before you even know their names.

We can let the voters sort that out. Until then, people have the right to know how their "government" is supposedly practicing what it is preaching. A few "good" congressman may get caught in the aftermath, but at least the whole rotten apple will be exposed for what it is. That, to me is a much preferable result than the American people continuing to be fooled by their government.

 

[Kandahar]

Until they legalize prostitution, it's hypocritical for them to visit one isn't it? But they don't try to legalize it because it'd be bad for their votes. So they pretend to be more sexually "pure" than they really are.

Congressmen don't have the power to repeal state laws regarding prostitution. There aren't any federal laws prohibiting it to the best of my knowledge, so what do you want them to do?

Besides, even if that were true, it's a very minor hypocrisy. For example, I support the existence of traffic laws, even though I sometimes exceed the speed limit.

 

[Kandahar]

We can let the voters sort that out.

It's none of the voters' damn business.

Until then, people have the right to know how their "government" is supposedly practicing what it is preaching.

And what, pray tell, is it preaching?

A few "good" congressman may get caught in the aftermath, but at least the whole rotten apple will be exposed for what it is. That, to me is a much preferable result than the American people continuing to be fooled by their government.

A few? The number of congressmen who routinely grandstand about sexual morality is not very large. It's a lot more likely that you'll catch a couple hypocrites amidst a larger group of innocent people, than the other way around.

There are plenty of reasons to dislike our government, and to call them a "rotten apple." Being comprised of a few members who like to visit prostitutes is not one of them. :roll:

 

[RightinNYC]

Congressmen don't have the power to repeal state laws regarding prostitution. There aren't any federal laws prohibiting it to the best of my knowledge, so what do you want them to do?

Besides, even if that were true, it's a very minor hypocrisy. For example, I support the existence of traffic laws, even though I sometimes exceed the speed limit.

Congress acts as the legislature for DC, so they are responsible for the fact that prostitution is illegal there.

 

[Kandahar]

Congress acts as the legislature for DC, so they are responsible for the fact that prostitution is illegal there.

This is true. However, it is my understanding that they generally defer to the elected officials of DC in these matters, unless it's something very contentious (like school vouchers). I doubt many congressmen are eager to overrule the elected DC officials to legalize prostitution, and I can't say I blame them.

 

[RightinNYC]

It's none of the voters' damn business.

While I agree that the voters don't have a right to access this information, the people in question also don't have the authority to prevent the woman from publishing this info. They made a conscious choice to allow their information to be collected by what they knew to be an illegitimate business. There's no reasonable expectation of privacy there.

 

[RightinNYC]

Update:

While the original game plan of Ms. Palfrey was to keep the records controlled and not to allow them to go completely public, someone already pirated the discs so she's making them all publicly available.

You can download them and play detective to try to find some important people if you want from this site.

I'm beginning to see why the clients aren't too worried about this - it's basically a million phone numbers, many of which are only traceable to cellphones if you're willing to pay.

The only people I've found so far by a cursory look is one or two no-name johns.

Here's the really bad part - one of the reasons she decided to limit the release initially was to protect the girls involved - anyone who got a copy had to sign a thing saying they wouldn't release the girls names. Now, that promise can't be enforced?

The worst part? The girls are the ones who called in the most, which makes sense, so they're going to be more likely to be outed. I've already found one nurse who would probably be in serious trouble if it got leaked. Kind of sucks in case there are *******s out there who want to make the average people involved public.

 

[RightinNYC]

UPDATE:

Here's the first one.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/09/dc.madam.ap/index.html

Senator sorry after number appears on D.C. Madam's list

Sen. David Vitter, R-Louisiana, apologized Monday night for "a very serious sin in my past" after his telephone number appeared among those associated with an escort service operated by the so-called "D.C. Madam."

Sen. David Vitter apologized after his telephone number appeared among those linked to the "D.C. Madam."

Vitter's spokesman, Joel Digrado, confirmed the statement in an e-mail sent to The Associated Press.

"This was a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible," Vitter said in the statement. "

 

[PeteEU]

So a Senator is not a big fish?

 

[danarhea]

UPDATE:

Here's the first one.

Senator sorry after number appears on D.C. Madam's list - CNN.com

Note that he came forward only after he was caught, and stressed that it was in his PAST. There are plenty of convicts who say the same thing when they go before the parole board.

On the other hand, I will give him credit for accepting responsibility. That was a breath of fresh air.