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Judge grants Democrats access to unredacted Mueller report

A judge can't declassify classified documents.

POINT 1 - The documents would remain "classified", it's just that some people who wouldn't otherwise have been able to see them will be able to see them.

POINT 2 - Your offering of the benefit of your vast legal education and experience is as appreciated as always.
 
Even Trump's Supreme Court kmows that a vote won't change anything.

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. This is truly a lawless administration.
 
They always do. Like I said, two months total to get the Nixon tapes. But I will admit, once SCOTUS ruled against him Nixon quickly capitulated & released the tapes.

With Trump, I'm not sure he would comply with a SCOTUS ruling. In that case it gets pretty sticky, because SCOTUS has no enforcement arm, and Congress only has the Sargent At Arms. Trump would have Secret Service & the U.S. Armed Forces. We'd be in full-on Constitutional Crisis, by then.

What you're describing is a military strongman. And they said it couldn't happen here :(
 
How many times a day now is the latest narrative factually refuted almost immediately?

How many independents who voted for trump and can read are finding this amusing?

I think Trump is deluding himself with his arena rallies and his Twitter feed. I don't think there's a single person left who has personal access to him who criticizes or challenges him, which is one of the reasons he's such a psychopath about the media. We know he doesn't believe in polls and has no working concept of reality. I think he thinks the US is full of MAGA hat wearers who will continue to let him get away with anything and everything. Those people have doubled and tripled down to the level of clinical insanity. Independents and moderates who voted for him or didn't vote at all are watching all of this, though, and the Democrats so far have the discipline to seem more credible and more mature.
 
I'm okay with politicians making things good for the people they serve. And not running secret kangaroo courts to badger the president that beat them in 2016. Did she ever concede I've seen different stories.

and the included VIDEO would appear to answer your question - wouldn't it?

Unfortunately those conflict with what is contained in the latest version of The Current Response And Position Bulletin so they might not satisfy you.
 
Oh, there should definitely be Contempt of Congress, along with Abuse of Power. I think those two would be the biggies.

Abuse of power is apparent to the blind, deaf, and mute, but I think there is even less of a chance that the Senate will convict for abuse of power than something else. Republicans generally think that Trump's power is almost limitless and that it's impossible for him to abuse it.
 
If SCOTUS rules on it, I see little choice for Barr. Otherwise, he will surely be found in contempt.

The interesting thing about "contempt of court" is that it is NOT, inherently, a criminal offence AND that the inherent jurisdiction of the court to punish it is unlimited (the court's punishment, however, MUST END if the person "purges their contempt" by complying with the directions of the court). Since "contempt of court" is not, inherently, a criminal offence, the ability of the President to "pardon" someone for committing a "contempt of court" is rather 'iffy'.

PS - In the spirit of a Judge in British Columbia who, on his last sitting day before retiring, donned the traditional black cap and sentenced the newly convicted person to be hung ("capital punishment" had been abolished by then) and then concluded his sentence with "DAMN! I always wanted to do that.", I add that the maximum punishment ever handed out in a case of "contempt of court" was "summary execution" (which, since that punishment was carried out, has never been overturned on appeal means that that punishment is still available as a part of the inherent jurisdiction of the courts). Although the sentence predated the American Revolution, it forms a part of the historical tapestry that comprises the laws of the United States of America and so, unless judicially or legislatively overturned, it is STILL (at least theoretically) available to the courts in the United States of America.
 
Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. This is truly a lawless administration.

I meant a vote by the House to authorize the inquiry. Even Trump's SC has to agree that the House doesn't have to vote. The question will be whether Trump's administration obeys the SC. If it doesn't, Trump might get to see tanks rolling down Pennsylvania Ave. after all.
 
I meant a vote by the House to authorize the inquiry. Even Trump's SC has to agree that the House doesn't have to vote. The question will be whether Trump's administration obeys the SC. If it doesn't, Trump might get to see tanks rolling down Pennsylvania Ave. after all.

Unfortunately, he's the one who commands the tanks which like I just said recently means that trump will become a military strongman.
 
Convictions? You don't need convictions just credible accusations. Sometimes called smears.

The matrix is

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[TD]ACTION IS
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[TD]ACTION IS
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HORRIBLE CRIME[/TD]
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and that is all you need to know in order to make sense out of today's version of "American Political Discussion".
 
Honestly I'm not concerned about the unredacted Mueller report.If the judge wants to release the grand jury testimony I doubt much will be there. The judge can't release the classified information so there will still be some redaction.

No, nothing will be redacted when Congress gets to review the full report. That's the point. The public still won't get to see everything, but the public rarely does for a period time.
 
Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. This is truly a lawless administration.
Hey Lurch ! You have been watching to many CNN talking heads. Remember those same people have been lying to you for over two years. :)
 
Hey Lurch ! You have been watching to many CNN talking heads. Remember those same people have been lying to you for over two years. :)

You're right my friend. I should watch more Hammity and that peepsqueak, Carlson - that's where truth happens :)
 
No, nothing will be redacted when Congress gets to review the full report. That's the point. The public still won't get to see everything, but the public rarely does for a period time.
Well that means Adam Sack of Schiff will leak it in about 0.5 seconds. Se we will know about it soon enough I guess.
 
The interesting thing about "contempt of court" is that it is NOT, inherently, a criminal offence AND that the inherent jurisdiction of the court to punish it is unlimited (the court's punishment, however, MUST END if the person "purges their contempt" by complying with the directions of the court). Since "contempt of court" is not, inherently, a criminal offence, the ability of the President to "pardon" someone for committing a "contempt of court" is rather 'iffy'.

PS - In the spirit of a Judge in British Columbia who, on his last sitting day before retiring, donned the traditional black cap and sentenced the newly convicted person to be hung ("capital punishment" had been abolished by then) and then concluded his sentence with "DAMN! I always wanted to do that.", I add that the maximum punishment ever handed out in a case of "contempt of court" was "summary execution" (which, since that punishment was carried out, has never been overturned on appeal means that that punishment is still available as a part of the inherent jurisdiction of the courts). Although the sentence predated the American Revolution, it forms a part of the historical tapestry that comprises the laws of the United States of America and so, unless judicially or legislatively overturned, it is STILL (at least theoretically) available to the courts in the United States of America.

Your PS is interesting. Do you know where I can find more information about the execution? I've never heard that before now.
 
We're already suffering. Remember when you were a child and whomever raised you told you could grow up to be anything you wanted to be, even president of the United States? Now, responsible parents can't even let their young children watch the president on TV.

Truth. I do not let my children, 4 and 6 years of age, watch him. How depressing is that?


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I question how my country (USA) can be a place of mass suffering yet people flock to it risking their lives to become new members. Makes no sense.

Well my husband immigrated here from El Salvador in 1988. There was the civil war going on there and his house was getting shot up regularly. His parents really had no choice but to leave or let their entire family die in ES. I can assume people “flock” to the US for similar reasons. My husband is an incredibly intelligent, accomplished & successful individual, can’t even imagine what could have happened to he and his brothers had they stayed in El Salvador. People come here because it’s stay and die or risk building a new life. Which would you choose?


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Well my husband immigrated here from El Salvador in 1988. There was the civil war going on there and his house was getting shot up regularly. His parents really had no choice but to leave or let their entire family die in ES. I can assume people “flock” to the US for similar reasons. My husband is an incredibly intelligent, accomplished & successful individual, can’t even imagine what could have happened to he and his brothers had they stayed in El Salvador. People come here because it’s stay and die or risk building a new life. Which would you choose?


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Why didn't he settle in Mexico? He had to make it to the US why?
 
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Unfortunately, he's the one who commands the tanks which like I just said recently means that trump will become a military strongman.

I don't think the joint chiefs would allow the president to blow off the SC, but I guess nothing is certain anymore. If he did, I would support a coup as long as the civilian government is restored after Trump is removed.
 
Well that means Adam Sack of Schiff will leak it in about 0.5 seconds. Se we will know about it soon enough I guess.

What a mature and thoughtful response.
 
POINT 1 - The documents would remain "classified", it's just that some people who wouldn't otherwise have been able to see them will be able to see them.

POINT 2 - Your offering of the benefit of your vast legal education and experience is as appreciated as always.

You ain't even from this country and it shows, because you don't understand how our government's classification system works.
 
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