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Judge asks if Flynn's conduct is "treasonous activity"

Michael Flynn Was Paid to Represent Turkey’s Interests During Trump Campaign
The candidate he was advising last fall was running on a platform of America First. The client he was working for last fall was paying him more than $500,000 to put Turkey first.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/us/politics/michael-flynn-turkey.html

Judge Sullivan though Flynn was an unregistered foriegn agent during the Trump administration, hence the comment "sold your country out", he was corrected by the prosecution and Sullivan apologized for implying treasonous activity.

*It seems that the judge may have been inspired by a misunderstanding of Flynn’s contacts with Turkey, which Flynn had also lied about. Sullivan said that Flynn had acted “an unregistered agent of a foreign country, while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States.”

A member of Mueller’s team had to point out that this was not the case, and that Flynn had stopped dealing with Turkey before he took office.*

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lawand...azy-idea-michael-flynn-committed-treason/amp/

Calling Flynn a traitor or accusing him of selling out his country due to Judge Sullivan's incorrect assessment of when Flynn worked as an unregistered foriegn agent is purposely lying, uninformed or misinformed.
 
zomg... Comedy gold

He collaborated with the Russian ambassador, a nation that had spent months attacking the American electoral system, to undermine the foreign policy of the United States. That was despite an explicit instruction from the Transition Team not to talk to the ambassador, because Kislyak's communications were monitored.

Then, when the FBI started to investigate, he lied to them -- knowing full well why they wanted to talk to him, that he had the right to have an attorney present, and that it was illegal to lie to federal investigators.

Yes, he fooled the investigators. And guess what? Turns out they had Flynn on tape, talking about sanctions with Kislyak. OOOPS.

Oh, and his firm to illegally lobbied to get a Turkish dissident extradited, at the behest and in the pay of the autocrat Erdogan. His son, by the way? Yeah, Mike Jr worked at the firm which engaged in illegal lobbying. Hmmmm.

The idea that Mueller came out of nowhere, invented phantom charges, and made them stick against a wealthy and well-connected suspect is absolutely HILARIOUS. Keep up the good work.

You don't seem to have the slightest clue as to what happened. He collaborated with the Russians? You better tell Mueller, because he missed that.
 
Everybody was a target during the Obama administration. Sadly, Flynn had every right to talk with foreigners all he liked, but because the Obamanites had secret surveillance tapes on Flynn they were able to entrap him illegally into saying something that proved to be a lie and that is what gave the Obamanite Trump opponents the excuse to nail him. The Obamanites were despicable in that.
Yeah, pretty much every word of that is irrelevant or wrong.

The US government routinely conducts surveillance on adversarial foreign powers. The key point is that Flynn was told that Kislyak was under surveillance, and still talked to him about sanctions.

No, Flynn did not have the right to talk to Kislyak about sanctions -- and he knew it. He was deliberately undermining US foreign policy with an adversarial power, and as such it was a violation of the Logan Act. That's why he tried to cover it up.

You can't "illegally entrap someone" when they choose to lie to you. The very idea is downright hilarious, and shows that you have absolutely no understanding of the concept of entrapment. When you make a deliberate choice to lie to federal agents, then the consequences are 100% on you. They have no obligation to reveal every scrap of evidence (including evidence those agents hadn't seen yet) in a routine interview.

And again, Flynn engaged in other criminal activity. He isn't getting charged with everything because he's been cooperating with Mueller.
 
Nothing superficial about what Flynn and his lawyer said to the judge....

He decided to take a plea. You don't seem to have any idea why he would do that. How about Cohen, he took a plea to a crime that was not committed, why do you think he did that? You have to think a little bit at some point, instead of swallowing everything they feed you.
 
Judge Sullivan though Flynn was an unregistered foriegn agent during the Trump administration, hence the comment "sold your country out", he was corrected by the prosecution and Sullivan apologized for implying treasonous activity.

*It seems that the judge may have been inspired by a misunderstanding of Flynn’s contacts with Turkey, which Flynn had also lied about. Sullivan said that Flynn had acted “an unregistered agent of a foreign country, while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States.”

A member of Mueller’s team had to point out that this was not the case, and that Flynn had stopped dealing with Turkey before he took office.*

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lawand...azy-idea-michael-flynn-committed-treason/amp/

Calling Flynn a traitor or accusing him of selling out his country due to Judge Sullivan's incorrect assessment of when Flynn worked as an unregistered foriegn agent is purposely lying, uninformed or misinformed.

The link referred to Flynn selling out his country during the campaign; not about yesterday's courtroom fiasco.
 
He decided to take a plea. You don't seem to have any idea why he would do that. How about Cohen, he took a plea to a crime that was not committed, why do you think he did that? You have to think a little bit at some point, instead of swallowing everything they feed you.

A crime that was not committed.....SMH

If that is the kind of thinking you need so that you can get by....
 
He decided to take a plea. You don't seem to have any idea why he would do that.
Neither do you so your point?

How about Cohen, he took a plea to a crime that was not committed
Right, good thing we have legal scholars such as you to shed light on that.

why do you think he did that?
At least we know why you post such utterly stupid things.
 
You don't seem to have the slightest clue as to what happened. He collaborated with the Russians? You better tell Mueller, because he missed that.
LOL

Yes. Flynn collaborated with Kislyak to subvert US policy. Mueller definitely did not miss it.

Like it or not, in December 2016, the Obama administration was still in charge. They slapped Russia with a bunch of sanctions, and kicked out 35 Russian diplomats, as a punishment for interfering in the US elections.

Flynn -- who knew Kislyak's communications were under surveillance, and had been told by the Transition Team not to talk to Kislyak -- made a deliberate choice to talk to Kislyak, and promise that the sanctions would be "ripped up" the moment Trump got into office. In doing so, he undermined US policy by promising to blunt the impact of the sanctions. That's a violation of the Logan Act.

He knew it was wrong. That's why he lied, over and over, including to FBI agent -- knowing full well that lying to the FBI during an investigation is a federal felony.

Mueller chose not to charge Flynn with a bunch of crimes, because Flynn has spent the past year flipping on his buddies. It is so fascinating that in Trumpworld, flippers are bad when they have something on Trump, but are honorable patriots when they don't. lol....
 
The link referred to Flynn selling out his country during the campaign; not about yesterday's courtroom fiasco.

What part of;

Sullivan said that Flynn had acted “an unregistered agent of a foreign country, while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States.”

from the link didn't you understand ??
 
He decided to take a plea. You don't seem to have any idea why he would do that. How about Cohen, he took a plea to a crime that was not committed, why do you think he did that? You have to think a little bit at some point, instead of swallowing everything they feed you.

So he pled out and did not commit a crime?

How did the judge take it when he pled guilty to no crime?

Seems like the judge would be a bit pissed.
 
He decided to take a plea. You don't seem to have any idea why he would do that. How about Cohen, he took a plea to a crime that was not committed, why do you think he did that? You have to think a little bit at some point, instead of swallowing everything they feed you.

What? All these people are pleading guilty, and serving jail time, when they haven't actually committed any crimes? You sincerely believe this, don't you.

You must be a Christian. Correct?
 
I suspect he wants to make an unmistakably clear record so that Flynn cannot later move to withdraw his guilty plea with any hope of success and try to push some kind of lunatic conspiracy theory at trial. You know...the theory that the usual suspects have been repeating around DP.

Yes - I thought so as well. Not much to appeal there.
 
What? All these people are pleading guilty, and serving jail time, when they haven't actually committed any crimes? You sincerely believe this, don't you.

You must be a Christian. Correct?

Actually it should have been stated thusly; Flynn lied about crime that wasn't committed. Flynn lied about talking with the Russian ambassador, as a member of the transition team that not illegal nor is it illegal to discuss policy, it's what transition teams do. The other charge is failing to register as a foreign agent with FARA.
 
Actually it should have been stated thusly; Flynn lied about crime that wasn't committed. Flynn lied about talking with the Russian ambassador, as a member of the transition team that not illegal nor is it illegal to discuss policy, it's what transition teams do. The other charge is failing to register as a foreign agent with FARA.
lol

Flynn committed numerous crimes. He didn't just fail to register, he actually performed illegal lobbying for a foreign power. He also lied to the FBI, violated the Logan Act, and almost certainly performed other illegal acts that aren't discussed in public. He is only being charged with a relatively light crime because he's spent the past year fully cooperating with Mueller.

They have recordings of Flynn talking to Kislyak about sanctions.

The transition team told Flynn not to talk to Kislyak. It was definitely illegal for Flynn to promise Kislyak that the sanctions would be lifted once Trump was in office. That's a violation of the Logan Act. He probably wasn't going to be charged with a crime for it, but he almost certainly was going to get fired. That's why he covered it up.

I.e. if it was legal for Flynn to talk to Kislyak, then he had no reason to lie to the FBI.

Flynn openly admitted in court that he lied to the FBI. The judge accepted the plea. That doesn't happen if a "crime wasn't committed," the judge would have tossed out the plea.

In other words: I'm not sure how you missed it, but the delusional conspiratorial thinking of Trumpworld ran straight into a brick wall called "reality" yesterday. This kind of bull**** might fly on Fox News, but it isn't doing well in actual courtrooms that actually respect the rule of law.

Flynn is a criminal. Just accept it, and move on.
 
Evidence that they're Russian agents, outside of your demented fantacies?

Are you really that misinformed or do you just not care? One wonders how different it would be if it were Obama or Hillary.


Sad really.
 
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It's amazing how far the delusion reaches. The entire DOJ, FBI and now judges are know nothing but complete incompetents except anyone on the "right" side.
Obama has sown "weeds" among them all. Gosh he's such a talented man.
 
Wow. I never thought of that.

Wait a minute, I don't buy into such silliness as I see this for what it is. I don't at grasping the straws of silly conspiracy theories to deflect from the egregious mistake I made to trust this crook with my vote.

What I do think is that a President that surrounds himself with so many unsavory characters does so only because he is comfortable being around unsavory characters.

The reality that you need to face, now that there are 17 separate investigations being conducted by various state and federal agencies, is Trump is a very bad dude. His world is now collapsing on him because of his arrogance and ignorance, not because he is being unjustly prosecuted. In fact, what he is finally witnessing is justice.

Aw come on - you know they're all fake. Trump is pure as the driven snow. Tsk Tsk
 
Michael Flynn. What did this guy do to deserve this? He had, what he thought was, a casual interview with the FBI. They told him he didn't need a lawyer. He wondered why they asked him about a call that they already had a transcript of. The FBI decides he's not lying.

Then, in comes Mueller, and destroys his world. Bankrupts the poor guy. They threaten to go after his son, so he takes a guilty plea. The judge brings up treason??? WTF??? All this in Mueller's quest to nullify the election.

This guy served the country, did nothing wrong, and now the government craps on him. That Mueller, so honorable.

Poor poor pitiful Flynn?? Really??
 
Flynn entered the plea of guilty. His lawyers parachuted in yesterday to hustle him out before the judge could throw the book at him. Stay tuned. Cause Flynn pleaded guilty to the same things Trump says never happened. Mueller's got a twofer going here.

Go ahead and root for the democrat attack dogs and their puppies on both sides of the political aisle. They are bent on destroying America while stupidly thinking they are doing good things.
 
And yet, just a day ago the Right Wing Echo Chamber was convinced that Sullivan was going to save Flynn.
So what? The "Right Wing Echo Chamher", whatever the hell that is, doesn't speak for me.

Visbek said:
What makes this turn of events so devastating is that conservatives have held out Sullivan as the judicial hero who would vindicate their theories. Fox News legal pundit Jeanine Pirro called him “a jurist unafraid of the swamp, a judge who has a track record of calling out prosecutorial misconduct, a man who does not tolerate injustice or abuse of power.” Wall Street Journal columnist Kimberley Strassel praised Sullivan as “a judge who is wise to the tricks of prosecutors and investigators … His reputation is for being no-nonsense, a straight shooter, an advocate of government transparency.” Anticipating just such a triumph, Eli Lake published a column this morning speculating that Flynn had been entrapped and was owed an apology. (Michael Flynn?s Judge Destroys Trump?s Conspiracy Theory)
Again, so what? All this rambling effluvia, in cutesy-poo blue, is laughable blather.
 
I'm aware that you made a ridiculous and baseless accusation, because a court ruling didn't go your way. Nice one.

No one was laughing.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that Flynn and his lawyers were ****ting their pants, because they realized they were looking at jail time, no matter how much Flynn cooperates.

Ok, now I'm laughing... at the utter absurdity of such blatantly biased claims.

Bull****.

Thank you for your prolific contribution of at least five distinct vacuities. However impressive I found your gurgle of hand-waving, be reminded that there is little doubt that Sullivan, who was always a bit temperamental, has become unhinged, turning a routine hearing into a fiasco - as one listener said he "sounded like a barroom loudmouth vaguely aware of the relevant facts but not too careful about them.".

Both the defense and the prosecution were shocked at his behavior, as well as at the judges palpable ignorance on the day of sentencing, he was ignorant of timing of the events leading up his hysterics, as well as basic constitutional precepts on the meaning of Treason.

Either the judge has grossly incompetent and reckless, or he has gone fruit loops, there being no other reasonable explanation given his insanity act.

Flynn is not a 16 year old black kid...

Flynn put in 33 years of military service, ...He then ran his own lobbying group (mp note: with and of business associates)... He had significant financial assets, plus personal networks, plus the ability to fundraise for his legal defense.

He "couldn't risk his son?" Are you ****ting me? Matt and Michael are adults ... Regardless, they don't need their daddy to hold their hands.

Anyway.... The judge wasn't puzzled by the typical litany of mitigating circumstances cited by defendants (and the prosecutors!). He was puzzled that the defense's sentencing memo hinted that the FBI railroaded Flynn while trying to claim that Flynn takes "full responsibility." That's sort of like saying "I take full responsibility for driving drunk and running over that guy in the wheelchair, but you know what? The arresting officer didn't tell me I could refuse to take a breathalyzer test, therefore you should shave 2 years off my sentence."

And unless you too have been living in a cardboard box under a bridge, your disbelief in what has been widely acknowledged in the press is unfounded. You have no idea what his financial pressures are, and your presumption that military wages makes a man wealthy is preposterous. Filings with federal authority showed that he had reported between $750,000 and $1.5 million in mortgage debt related to his personal home and a rental property. Whatever his net worth was, he put his Washington home up for sale in which ALL net proceeds went to pay for his attorneys. And a stout defense against a 30million dollar effort like Mueller's requires up to 3,000,000 bucks, per Washington attorneys.

So yes, rather than be penniless and without any serious representation and to avoid charges against his son he had (and has) little choice - plead guilty and sing the prosecutions song, whether he believes he is guilty or not.

Finally, the judges "puzzlement" would be easily resolved had he been less exclusively motivated to question Flynn's sincerity. Sullivan's superficial "puzzlement" (aka the dumb guy act) was not credible in that he avoided probing the nature of the deal itself, or asking Flynn to state all the reasons he plead guilty. Had the judge done so, it would be clear that financial distress and protecting his son were factors in the plea deal. He might have also discovered what threats the FBI team made, and what their motivation were in asking questions about about Flynn's view of discussions, one that the FBI had already tape recorded - other than a form (legal or otherwise) of entrapment?

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Uh hello? There was no degree of "entrapment" or "intimidation." Flynn was told exactly why he was being interviewed, he knew lying to the FBI was illegal, the agents have no moral or legal requirement to remind interviewees that "lying to the FBI is a crime." Even FLYNN'S OWN LAWYERS stated in open court that they were NOT accusing the FBI of entrapping Flynn.
Of course they weren't claiming legal entrapment. To do so would undo the deal that Flynn made, which would then lead to his financial ruin and charges against his son.

Hence, they could only claim that but for unethical (not illegal) FBI tactics Flynn might not have been in the fix he is in. So your metaphor should have been:

That's sort of like saying "I take full responsibility for driving drunk and running over that guy in the wheelchair, but you know what? The arresting officer enticed me into a drinking contest, put the guy in the wheelchair in back of my parked car, broke out the parking lot lights so I couldn't see, and he didn't bother to tell me.

Hell yes, those are mitigating circumstances, and only a block-head immune to empathy wouldn't see that.

It's only "obscure" if you are stuck the Right Wing Echo Chamber. Oh, and I'm pretty sure that Flynn's lawyers have figured it out. They won't pull this kind of crap again.
Well then maybe you can explain why the judge avoided probing for the reasons for the guilty plea, and solicited the prosecution to come up with some reason for more cooperation - might it be because the judge has already made up his mind, even as it was based on wrong perceptions and daffy "arguable" law?
 
Neither do you so your point?

Right, good thing we have legal scholars such as you to shed light on that.

At least we know why you post such utterly stupid things.
OMG, talk about stupid! This is basic stuff. Jeez.
 
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