KidRocks
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Trajan Octavian Titus said:Actually after 91 he slowly starved the masses while building lavish palaces instead of schools, he might have handed Kurdish children blankets full of anthrax but that's about it.
KidRocks said:Tis true that President Bush, after being elected in 92, also starved the masses (children, poor people) via his tax-cuts for the rich only, which in turn helped them (the rich) to build bigger and better mansions.
That could be said too then, couldn't it?
Trajan Octavian Titus said:LMFAO um Clinton won the election in ''92, and Bush Senior increased taxes.
did Bush Juniors tax cuts starve the children? Really, that's an interesting theory care to back it up with any facts?
GWB and Cheney actually took a huge pay cut to hold public office.
Conflict said:Let me just say a few things...
I am not looking for agreement...nor am I looking for dissent.
Forget Kerry. He is like Dean. He is an Icon of a poltical affiliation. Above all we must learn to think beyond the polarity of partisanship and attmept to determine the virtue of sincerity.
The entire issue of politics has become a civil war of cognition. A QUIET WAR. No rhetoric offered here-in does anything to further the argument of any party or affiliation. We must find common ground or we WILL PERISH.
KidRocks said:Sorry, meant 2000, typo, anyway you can adjust and answer, I have faith in you.
If you look hard , yes, President Bush did slash and trim programs for the poor and the children, tried to do away with Society Security as we know it too.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:how many children have starved to death in the U.S. since Bush took office? Back up your accusation buddy.
The sentence you have constructed is markedly different in connotation and noticeably different in denotation from what was being discussed.Trajan Octavian Titus said:So then you agree that according to John Kerry the troops are terrorizing the peoples of Iraq?
Are these pictures are supposed to demonstrate that at no time anywhere in Iraq ever have the actions of US troops frightened children rather merely demonstrate what was going on at the time the pictures were taken? Or are you intentionally making a fallacious argument?Trajan Octavian Titus said:Ya they look terrified evil Americans terrorizing Iraqi children by rebuilding schools, passing out candy, and school supplies . . . "look out he's got a pencil!!"
Conflict said:What What?
Don't be timid.
Simon W. Moon said:The sentence you have constructed is markedly different in connotation and noticeably different in denotation from what was being discussed.
I'm unclear if you're aware of these differences or not. Perhaps you're truly oblivious to the differences. Or perhaps you're merely trolling for reactions. Only you can say.
Are these pictures are supposed to demonstrate that at no time anywhere in Iraq ever have the actions of US troops frightened children rather merely demonstrate what was going on at the time the pictures were taken? Or are you intentionally making a fallacious argument?
Only you can say.
Simon W. Moon said:I see. So we're moving the goal posts from "likens U.S. Soldiers to terrorists," to the even more vague "believes the U.S. military to be a force for evil."
Even w/ the goal posts moved closer, you're still inside your own twenty yard-line.
He doesn't say that he "believes the U.S. military to be a force for evil." AFAICT, thi interpretation's merely the product of faulty extrapolation on your part or on the part of whoever you got the opinion from.
Ain't it amazing when Kerry comes out and says something, and then the forum members have to swing by and tell you what he REALLY MEANT?...:roll:Trajan Octavian Titus said:It's not a fallacious argument you have yet to prove that Kerry hasn't claimed that U.S. military forces are culpable for acts of terrorism. By his own words he has done so. Whether you choose to ignore this or attempt to make it more palatable to your brain by redefining terms the fact remains that Kerry said that U.S. troops are terrorizing the Iraqi masses just like he claimed they were doing to the Vietnamese.
I've seen the video it's undeniable that he thinks the U.S. military is nothing more than state sponsored terrorism.
If you can't understand the fallacy of presenting selected pictures and trying to say that they preclude the possibility of any thing other than what happenned in the pictures occurred in times and place other than what are pictured, I"m not sure what to tell you.Trajan Octavian Titus said:It's not a fallacious argument ...
You're the one who has to demonstrate your case that he has "liken[ed] U.S. Soldiers to terrorists."Trajan Octavian Titus said:... you have yet to prove that Kerry hasn't claimed that U.S. military forces are culpable for acts of terrorism.
Actually, he hasn't.Trajan Octavian Titus said:By his own words he has done so.
How have I redefined what terms?Trajan Octavian Titus said:Whether you choose to ignore this or attempt to make it more palatable to your brain by redefining terms ...
Yeah. It seems so very obvious, but Trajan has to come along and show us how it really should be parsed.cnredd said:Ain't it amazing when Kerry comes out and says something, and then the forum members have to swing by and tell you what he REALLY MEANT?...:roll:
Simon W. Moon said:If you can't understand the fallacy of presenting selected pictures and trying to say that they preclude the possibility of any thing other than what happenned in the pictures occurred in times and place other than what are pictured, I"m not sure what to tell you.
You're the one who has to demonstrate your case that he has "liken[ed] U.S. Soldiers to terrorists."
I ask yet again,
What is the ostensible political purpose that Mr. Kerry assigns to the US military for the inadvertent terrorizing of children in his quote?
Trajan Octavian Titus said:To play to his radical base what else?
Actually, he hasn't.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Really so terrorizing does not equate to terrorism? You know I'm so sick and tired of liberal elitists who think that they're so high and mighty that they think what they say is above questioning, here's Kerry: "I didn't say what I said you idiotic masses just misunderstood me." :roll: Give me a break Mr. Senator.
How have I redefined what terms?
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Terrorizing
No.Trajan Octavian Titus said:Simon did he or did he not state that the U.S. troops were committing acts of terrorism YES OR NO!!!!
I can tell as your attempts at 'spin' are feeble and failing.Trajan Octavian Titus said:You can't spin your way out of this one he said it you heard it I heard it the whole country heard it.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Simon did he or did he not state that the U.S. troops were committing acts of terrorism YES OR NO!!!! You can't spin your way out of this one he said it you heard it I heard it the whole country heard it.
Simon W. Moon said:How have I redefined 'terrorizing'?
No.
I can tell as your attempts at 'spin' are feeble and failing.
I ask yet again,What is the ostensible political purpose that Mr. Kerry assigns to the US military for the inadvertent terrorizing of children in his quote?
Would Federal officers breaking and entering into a home in the middle of a night with weapons drawn be considered a terrorist act?...Would they "terrorize children" while cracking down on the local drug ring?...I think that would be terrorizing the inhabitants also...Iriemon said:Would foreign soldiers breaking and entering into a home in the middle of a night with weapons drawn be considered a terrorist act? I think it would be terrorizing to the inhabitants.
Simon W. Moon said:How have I redefined 'terrorizing'?
No.
I can tell as your attempts at 'spin' are feeble and failing.
I ask yet again,What is the ostensible political purpose that Mr. Kerry assigns to the US military for the inadvertent terrorizing of children in his quote?
Why is anything you disagree with threathened with the Basement? Are you sure you have the impartiality required for moderating?Simon W. Moon said:So, when do you get to the part where "John Kerry likens U.S. Soldiers to terrorists?"
If, as it appears, you'd like to blow off some steam and just rant I"d be happy to move this to the Basement if you'd like.
cnredd said:Here is the transcript from the show Kerry made his quote...
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_120405.pdf
Simon,
Could you please show the forum where Kerry mentioned ANYTHING about "terrorizing the children" as being "inadvertent"?...
That is a comment you've made more than once, but I have failed to see that anywhere in Kerry's statements in the transcript...Are you referring to him saying it someplace else?...
Unless you just FEEL like throwing that word out there to soften the blow of his remarks, I am under the impression that Kerry meant what he said and it should be taken at face falue...
Why is anything you disagree with threathened with the Basement? Are you sure you have the impartiality required for moderating?
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