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And we are back to the Republican house holding everything up again. Back to the good ol do nothing congress.. [/FONT][/COLOR]
Because the two are not mutually inclusive, as the 20 million thieving illegals who trespassed into America are not immigrants, because the only way to be an immigrant in America is to be granted that status by the INS ..
.. And, because we don't have a problem with our immigration policy but we do, obviously, have a problem with border security, as the presence of 20 million illegals in America does attest.
In addition to securing the borders to keep trespassers from getting in ..
.. We need to get the 20 million thieving trespassers already here, out.
John Boehner is becoming a patriotic American folk hero, not only in his killing of this egregious amnesty and legalization bill, a bill which is an obvious gross injustice to all American citizens, but now in his request that if corportations don't have to provide Obamacare for a year's delay, then individuals shouldn't have to be penalized tax-wise if they can't afford to spend on health insurance.
Meaningless extremist reaction.how can you force 20 million people to leave if they don't want to? are you suggesting we force them to leave at gunpoint?
Yes it is draconiain considering the budget for the snap program.
Read more: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill - Ginger Gibson - POLITICO.com
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how can you force 20 million people to leave if they don't want to? are you suggesting we force them to leave at gunpoint?
Meaningless extremist reaction.
You overlook the first-step obvious, understandably.
We simply make a united effort to prevent transactions by illegals, no jobs, therefore no cash, no retail credit purchases, no healthcare except emergency life-saving, etc.
They will then be supported by sympathizers in America for a short time, before they leave to return home to a more financially secure climate before the sympathizers' money runs out.
It really is that simple.
They deserve hard time for their trespassing and multiple felony thefts.
That they will be getting off virtually unpunished, merely having to return the jobs, classrooms, living space, road space, etc., etc., etc., American resources they stole, they should feel very, very lucky.
But, if they resist belligerently at that point, gunpoint may indeed be necessary.
American citizens deserve no less of an effort.
Absolutely, yes.so basically stop all financial activity of a certian group and make it impossible to maintain a standard of living just because of their legal status.
We don't need to "find" all 20 million illegal aliens, or "illegals" for short. (They simply aren't "immigrants", as I accurately pointed out to you previously, so it is erroneous to call them illegal "immigrants" -- the proper government statute term for them is "illegal aliens", or "illegals" for short.)only one problem: how can you find all 20 million illegal immigrants? they aren't all in one place.
Please name ONE jobs related bill that has been held up in the Senate. Just one JOBS Bill as you say. All I've seen or heard coming from the House are abortion restriction bills and revoke RomneyCare bills.i am not a fan of bills which are unconstitutional, but the republicans since taking the house have passed many jobs bills and sent them over to the senate, where harry has tabled them, and will not let them come to a vote on the senate floor.
Please name ONE jobs related bill that has been held up in the Senate. Just one JOBS Bill as you say. All I've seen or heard coming from the House are abortion restriction bills and revoke RomneyCare bills.
I think they are both pitiful parties, but we weren't talking about parties, we're talking about branches of government here. So, since you have no proof for your claim, it's clear it must be one of the Faux News "factoids".no... i an not going to post anything, becuase if you believe that one party is so bad, and the other is so good, then you need to do some soul searching.
I think they are both pitiful parties, but we weren't talking about parties, we're talking about branches of government here. So, since you have no proof for your claim, it's clear it must be one of the Faux News "factoids".
I didn't say that, and you are intentionally trying to stretch what I did. I asked specifically about the person claiming that jobs bills had been sent and tabled. That is not true. Now surely the revoke RomneyCare and advanced abortion restrictions and similar bull****, surely, but not any jobs bills.the republicans have been in the house for over 2 1/2 years, and you believe that everything that they have ever sent to the senate was voted on?
just as one party does something, so does the other party, neither one are different.
Absolutely, yes.
This "certain group" are people who are trespassers and multiple-count thieves.
By taking this ethically appropriate action against their on-going criminal activity we function to prevent it, to put an end to it, obviously.
We don't need to "find" all 20 million illegal aliens, or "illegals" for short. (They simply aren't "immigrants", as I accurately pointed out to you previously, so it is erroneous to call them illegal "immigrants" -- the proper government statute term for them is "illegal aliens", or "illegals" for short.)
We simply begin enforcing the recently improved e-verify with unscrupulous Benedict Arnold business owners and managers highly suspected of hiring illegals.
We thereby catch the offending illegals and their accomplice business owners/managers.
Once these illegals can no longer find work, they will run out of cash.
We also step up enforcement searches of identify fraud, which will catch illegals' credit cards under forged names and the like.
It can be done, and comparatively easily.
But, again, you focus, and erroneously so, on low level mechanics, when the matter is one of high level philosophical ethics.
Forcing self-deportation of the 20 million illegals is simply the right ethical thing to do by the foundational people to whom American law and officials are responsible and accountable: American citizens, the people whom the 20 million illegals egregiously wronged.
It is important in making correct decisions, especially in a country where the Constitution and rule of law is rightly respected, to put doing the right thing ahead of "oh, it's just too hard" mechanics whining by liberal Dems with a political power-play agenda.
Read more: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill - Ginger Gibson - POLITICO.com
And we are back to the Republican house holding everything up again. Back to the good ol do nothing congress.. [/FONT][/COLOR]
Boehner is simply helping to ratify his parties already signed death warrant.
the republicans have been in the house for over 2 1/2 years, and you believe that everything that they have ever sent to the senate was voted on?
just as one party does something, so does the other party, neither one are different.
Plenty of leftist keep making this claim so on face value I'd say the opposite would be closer to the truth.
Lets do a quick review.
White House-run by a leftist now and will next time as well unless the GOP runs a conservative candidate.
Senate-run by a leftist now but things might change next year. Looks better and better everyday for the GOP.
House-run by the GOP. It ain't changing unless they pass this bill.
Because of two factors
1- off year elections are more favorable to republicans than presidential elections due to lower Democratic turnout
2- horribly gerrymandered districts all over the nation due Republican control of the last redistricting
I agree that there is a very good chance the Republicans will take the Senate next year and hold the House.
I will also bet a hell of a lot of money that the Dems take the White House next election and for the foreseeable future. Eventually, perhaps in three or four more off year election cycles, those demographic time bombs will explode for the Republicans and the gerrymandering of 2010 will not even save them any more.
The thing about defeating a bill via not holding a vote is that it gives a bad impression. Refusing to vote makes the public feel like congress isn't doing its job. Their job is to vote. Filibusters are methods to avoid doing their job. Blocking votes are methods to avoid doing their job. Defeating a bill by voting it down has the same effect, but involves congress actually doing the job they've been hired to do. House Republicans would be facing less backlash if they'd actually voted on the bill and defeated it.
Anything to see that asshole Harry Reid gone.
See, that's the issue OC.
The "Carrots", other than simply being able to stya here, can't legally be enacted BY THIS LAW without the "Sticks" occuring. It would take an entirely new law amending this one to allow the end game "carrots" of a green card to occur without the sticks happening.
Well, at least you're consistent. Any time the House and the Senate don't agree on something, you immediately accuse the House of being obstuctionist or do nothing. Have you ever posted a thread about the do nothing, obstructionist Senate under Harry Reid?
Because of two factors
1- off year elections are more favorable to republicans than presidential elections due to lower Democratic turnout
2- horribly gerrymandered districts all over the nation due Republican control of the last redistricting
I agree that there is a very good chance the Republicans will take the Senate next year and hold the House.
I will also bet a hell of a lot of money that the Dems take the White House next election and for the foreseeable future. Eventually, perhaps in three or four more off year election cycles, those demographic time bombs will explode for the Republicans and the gerrymandering of 2010 will not even save them any more.
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