Joe Biden

[Diesel]

Well guess I will send another check to the NRA. We need balance in Washington.

Because the NRA is doing such a good job of using your contributions to combat government tyranny.

 

[TurtleDude]

It makes perfect sense. The original claim was that Biden was going to assault his 2nd Amendment rights. I asked for a quote from Biden that qualified. You provided none.

You provided a list of ideas that would be well with the bounds of the 2nd amendment.

banning the sale of firearms that are in common use and not unusually dangerous violates the second amendment. Demanding people pay 200 dollars to register firearms they have owned legally for years, violates the second amendment.

 

[Diesel]

Biden’s stance on guns is one of the reasons I can not vote for him in November.

What are the other reasons? And what do you think a Biden presidency would achieve in frustrating your gun ownership?

 

[MrWonka]

LOL, most legal scholars and federal attorneys rate him as one of the most brilliant justices in history.

Umm...no... no they do not. You seem to be confusing some nice words said in public about a dead man with how most legal scholars actually feel.

 

[Diesel]

Yeah, vote for Trump instead

After all we've seen, he's the guy you want to lead the USA through the COVID-19 pandemic and through the next 4 years ?

It's the nature of the subforum in my experience. Most of the people who post here don't care about their children as much as they care about guns. It's a bizarre obsession.

 

[TurtleDude]

Because the NRA is doing such a good job of using your contributions to combat government tyranny.

The NRA mainly exists to promote the shooting sports, firearms training and gun safety and to lobby against politicians who try to ban or restrict gun ownership.

 

[MrWonka]

banning the sale of firearms that are in common use and not unusually dangerous violates the second amendment. Demanding people pay 200 dollars to register firearms they have owned legally for years, violates the second amendment.

Nowhere has Joe Biden said he plans on banning the sale of firearms that are in common use and not unusually dangerous. He said he's going to ban assault weapons which are really only useful for the purposes of assault. That's why the original Assault Weapons ban was in place for 10 years and it was never ruled unconstitutional. Not even close if memory serves actually.

 

[Diesel]

the 2nd is going nowhere in any of our lifetimes.

Shhh. They've spent their entire lives cuddling their guns and telling their neighbors that Democrats are on the way to disarm them. If they don't have that idiocy to protest, they have no reason to live.

 

[TurtleDude]

It's the nature of the subforum in my experience. Most of the people who post here don't care about their children as much as they care about guns. It's a bizarre obsession.

most of the people who whine about guns (you aren't one-you're in an interesting position of not supporting gun bans but disliking those who vote against anti gun Democrats) claim it is because of public safety concerns when in reality, they hate the fact that many of us gun owners vote against the party that pretends it is fighting crime by harassing gun ownership

 

[TurtleDude]

Shhh. They've spent their entire lives cuddling their guns and telling their neighbors that Democrats are on the way to disarm them. If they don't have that idiocy to protest, they have no reason to live.

remind me which party has banned guns in the USA and some of the states?

 

[TurtleDude]

Nowhere has Joe Biden said he plans on banning the sale of firearms that are in common use and not unusually dangerous. He said he's going to ban assault weapons which are really only useful for the purposes of assault. That's why the original Assault Weapons ban was in place for 10 years and it was never ruled unconstitutional. Not even close if memory serves actually.

you're lying again by pretending that semi auto rifles are unusually dangerous. You continue to ignore that the clinton gun ban died before Heller was issued

 

[Diesel]

Agree. Will support the Dems, because the Repubs need to lose and trump has to go. But yes there are things I Disagree with the Dems on and that is the 2nd A.

I also agree. I dislike the Democrats; and Joe Biden is just about the worst candidate I can imagine, but unlike 2016, I will vote to oppose Trump. It's critical for the sake of this god-forsaken country.

 

[Diesel]

The NRA mainly exists to promote the shooting sports, firearms training and gun safety and to lobby against politicians who try to ban or restrict gun ownership.

What is the purpose of the Second Amendment and how does the NRA's mission support it?

 

[TurtleDude]

Umm...no... no they do not. You seem to be confusing some nice words said in public about a dead man with how most legal scholars actually feel.

What exactly do you have in your background that would cause me to believe your claims?

 

[Integrityrespec]

I plan to vote for Joe

But his assault on my 2nd amendment rights is going to pizz me off.

I like Joe's platform except for this. Hope it is just campaign rhetoric or at least he never gets it through congress. It will put me in a bad position if he does.

Low life, lying two faced dirtbag. Biden claimed to have graduated from the top of his law class, he finished 76 out of 85. That's just one of many lies he has told about his personal history.
PolitiFact | Ad Watch: Fact-checking a video about Biden’s academic record

 

[TurtleDude]

What is the purpose of the Second Amendment and how does the NRA's mission support it?

mainly to guarantee the natural right of self defense. a right the founders believed men have had since the dawn of time and which they sought to guarantee in the bill of rights.

 

[TurtleDude]

Low life, lying two faced dirtbag. Biden claimed to have graduated from the top of his law class, he finished 76 out of 85. That's just one of many lies he has told about his personal history.
PolitiFact | Ad Watch: Fact-checking a video about Biden’s academic record

One of my law professors taught at Syracuse right after his USSC clerkship ended. He said Biden was 69th in a class of 66. Though that was a joke, the fact is-Biden would have been dead last if he had not been allowed to redo a class he failed due to plagiarism. He was near the bottom in both college and law school and flunked the Delaware bar exam the first time he took it.

Syracuse is not a cheap law school but what it proves was that Biden couldn't get into the three world class law schools in NY (Columbia, Cornell and NYU) and the very strong fourth best school in the state (Fordham).

 

[calamity]

LOL, most legal scholars and federal attorneys rate him as one of the most brilliant justices in history. I will take my experience as a federal litigator over your views which are almost universally rejected by those who actually understand federal courts.

Please back up that asinine assertion with credible citations, specifically making mention of:

1. "most legal scholars"

2. "most federal attorneys"

Note: your anecdotal claim of having personal expertise is not accepted.

 

[TurtleDude]

I also agree. I dislike the Democrats; and Joe Biden is just about the worst candidate I can imagine, but unlike 2016, I will vote to oppose Trump. It's critical for the sake of this god-forsaken country.

what danger do you face if Trump wins? I know what danger gun owners face if Biden is elected and gets control of both houses

 

[TurtleDude]

Please back up that asinine assertion with credible citations, specifically making mention of:

1. "most legal scholars"

2. "most federal attorneys"

Note: your anecdotal claim of having personal expertise is not accepted.

I couldn't care less. the fact is Scalia is well regarded intellectually. People who actually practice in federal courts know that. For you to claim my assertions are asinine, you'd have to show I was not accurate. You cannot because your posts prove you don't know anything about the subject


Antonin Scalia, Justice on the Supreme Court, Dies at 79 - The New York Times

 

[calamity]

I couldn't care less. the fact is Scalia is well regarded intellectually. People who actually practice in federal courts know that. For you to claim my assertions are asinine, you'd have to show I was not accurate. You cannot because you don't know anything about the subject

So, you admit you pulled that "most this" and "most that" out of your ass.


Your concession is accepted.

 

[Diesel]

most of the people who whine about guns (you aren't one-you're in an interesting position of not supporting gun bans but disliking those who vote against anti gun Democrats) claim it is because of public safety concerns when in reality, they hate the fact that many of us gun owners vote against the party that pretends it is fighting crime by harassing gun ownership

That's an interesting statement. And thank you for acknowledging my true position, closely enough anyway. I have always been baffled by single issue voters. There is nothing in this world more important to me than the love I share with the people who love me. So I could never imagine using guns or abortion or gay rights or school funding to determine a vote. Your reference to "anti-gun Democrats" implies that you do. You oppose an entire political party based on your perceived position of Democrats on the single issue that matters most to you. Now, to the extent that people opposed to any level of gun ownership do so simply because the people who support all levels of gun ownership oppose the party that they prefer (i.e., the Democratic one), then I would say those people are equally shortsighted. In other words, I take your point well.

I think I've told you this before, but I have many international friends and colleagues. I have lived for more than half of my life in other countries on other continents. The American fascination with firearms is unique. I love American uniqueness, despite its psychoses and self-important disregard for pretty much everything non-American in the entire universe (we're selfish, arrogant assholes, to be clear), but the gun thing is not a natural concern. The Second Amendment exists for many and good reasons, but it is not natural for it to become the entire life purpose and obsession of millions of people. That is the result of direct marketing and lobbying. As you know, I don't mind your opinion about firearms. I just find it incredibly wasteful for that to be the most important thing in your life.

 

[Diesel]

remind me which party has banned guns in the USA and some of the states?

I'm sure I don't need to "remind" you of anything gun-related, TurtleDude. My point was that there will never be a total gun ban in this country. I think it's reasonable to discuss restrictions on the number and types of firearms an individual owns. You don't. That's fine. But the slippery slope argument about how merely allowing the discussion will result in a door-to-door home seizure of every Nerf toy and party snap in the country is so delusionally paranoid that I have zero respect for it. The only people who refuse to discuss their positions and the opposition to it are people who can't defend themselves in the first place. That's not you. I know you're qualified to defend yourself. I just don't like that you don't like to allow the conversation to occur at all.

 

[Diesel]

and if Biden replaces several judges-then Heller will be overturned and there won't be a second amendment

That was unnecessarily lazy. The Supreme Court cannot overturn a constitutional amendment. You know that.

 

[TurtleDude]

That's an interesting statement. And thank you for acknowledging my true position, closely enough anyway. I have always been baffled by single issue voters. There is nothing in this world more important to me than the love I share with the people who love me. So I could never imagine using guns or abortion or gay rights or school funding to determine a vote. Your reference to "anti-gun Democrats" implies that you do. You oppose an entire political party based on your perceived position of Democrats on the single issue that matters most to you. Now, to the extent that people opposed to any level of gun ownership do so simply because the people who support all levels of gun ownership oppose the party that they prefer (i.e., the Democratic one), then I would say those people are equally shortsighted. In other words, I take your point well.

I think I've told you this before, but I have many international friends and colleagues. I have lived for more than half of my life in other countries on other continents. The American fascination with firearms is unique. I love American uniqueness, despite its psychoses and self-important disregard for pretty much everything non-American in the entire universe (we're selfish, arrogant assholes, to be clear), but the gun thing is not a natural concern. The Second Amendment exists for many and good reasons, but it is not natural for it to become the entire life purpose and obsession of millions of people. That is the result of direct marketing and lobbying. As you know, I don't mind your opinion about firearms. I just find it incredibly wasteful for that to be the most important thing in your life.

you're not a professional shooter who has represented this country in international competitions. and I find that gun banners tend to be tax hikers as well. I don't harm my self when pro gun operatives are elected. True, some of them are anti choice or oppose gay rights: issues I support but which don't impact me personally. Almost all gun rights politicians are on the same side as I am when it comes to judges, taxes, etc.