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Fantasea said:Sounds to me a lot like the inauguration address by GWB in 2001 and exerpts from many of his later speeches and press conference answers.
We'll probably hear some more in his 2005 inauguration address.
argexpat said:"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." -The Bible
WKL815 said:What point were you trying to make?
The message is simple and quite clear. Love everyone, but remain true to the principles of Christ.averagejoe said:"keep an open heart, not an open mind", thats Jesus speaking to one of his disciples. The bible teaches that we are not to, as Christians be open to other faiths, and ideas of life that do not come from the word of God.
Where does it say that in the bible?averagejoe said:"keep an open heart, not an open mind", thats Jesus speaking to one of his disciples.
But none of those say keep an open heart but not an open mind.Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
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Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.
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Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
averagejoe said:"keep an open heart, not an open mind", thats Jesus speaking to one of his disciples. The bible teaches that we are not to, as Christians be open to other faiths, and ideas of life that do not come from the word of God.
pwo said:Maybe economically liberal. Definantly not socially liberal.
I don't think Jesus ever cared to much about politics, he had other things to worry about.
Fantasea said:The message is simple and quite clear. Love everyone, but remain true to the principles of Christ.
satinloveslibs said:Jesus was I guess sort of a liberal, but would he agree with some of the things the liberals stand for? Like gay-marriage or abortion? The sixth commandment says thou shall not kill! David says life begins in the womb. So a fetus is a child because it is in the womb. 1st Corinthians 6:9 says that abusers dunkers homosexuals etc... will not enter the kindom of God. Jesus preached to the sinners with love and compation. So should we. Was Jesus a liberal? I don't think Jesus was a part of any party or group. Jesus is what 30% of the world looks up to for what is right and what is wrong. Jesus just did the right thing. So is sociallism right? I'm not so sure. Sociallist say that Republicans hate the poor, but that is not the case. Democrats hate the people who stayed in school, got an education, and did something to benifet America, the rich. Shouldn't there be the same tax percentage for all classes ( lower middle and high ) because the bible says that we, everyone, should pay 10% of ones income to God. So that says that everyone should pay 10%. Lower Middle and High class. See now that is fair. that is just. that higher class will still be paying more than the middle and lower. but no. the dems hate justice and the rich. Should we take care of the poor? Heck yes we should! but that doesn't mean that we kill the rich to do that.
You could think about it this way. What was good for the world 2000 years ago may not be good for the world today.pwo said:I am in a bind, because you guys are right Jesus was a pacifist. As individuals, maybe we should turn the other cheek. But as a country what should we do? rollover? If you are opposed to the Iraq war, ok, but what about necessary wars like WWII? Should we of rolled over to Hitler. I guess, our grandfathers and fathers would of done the right thing. But, they would of all been killed.
You never mention how Republicans do not hate the poor, as you claim.satinloveslibs said:Jesus was I guess sort of a liberal, but would he agree with some of the things the liberals stand for? Like gay-marriage or abortion? The sixth commandment says thou shall not kill! David says life begins in the womb. So a fetus is a child because it is in the womb. 1st Corinthians 6:9 says that abusers dunkers homosexuals etc... will not enter the kindom of God. Jesus preached to the sinners with love and compation. So should we. Was Jesus a liberal? I don't think Jesus was a part of any party or group. Jesus is what 30% of the world looks up to for what is right and what is wrong. Jesus just did the right thing. So is sociallism right? I'm not so sure. Sociallist say that Republicans hate the poor, but that is not the case. Democrats hate the people who stayed in school, got an education, and did something to benifet America, the rich. Shouldn't there be the same tax percentage for all classes ( lower middle and high ) because the bible says that we, everyone, should pay 10% of ones income to God. So that says that everyone should pay 10%. Lower Middle and High class. See now that is fair. that is just. that higher class will still be paying more than the middle and lower. but no. the dems hate justice and the rich. Should we take care of the poor? Heck yes we should! but that doesn't mean that we kill the rich to do that.
anomaly said:The Republicans wish all the poor were not poor so that they could contribute to the general welfare rather than being on it. That would also erase a major constituency of the Democratic Party, wouldn't it?You never mention how Republicans do not hate the poor, as you claim.You fail to note that the term 'rich' is relative. One need not be the Chairman of the Board to be 'rich'. On the other hand, following your advice will guarantee that one will live happpily forever after in poverty.Also, you are aware that you wrote this little critique of socialism with no knowledge of the capitalist system you adore, right? Leftists do not hate those who succeed, we simply understand that in capitalism the principle of competition ensures that a majority will in fact not be rich, or in some people's eyes, 'successful'.The socialist-lib-dems will ensure that this will never happen.In fact, if everyone was as successful as you on the right claim to want them to be, the entire capitalist system would crumble!The right simply feels that the poor should be 'eliminated' by lifting them out of poverty. To this end, means and opportunity abound. Those who partake succeed. Those who refuse remain mired in misery. They are truly the poster children of the socialist-lib-dems.The left simply feels that workers and other poor in this world need to be looked after, that we should put humanity over a rich man's profit, that distribution of wealth and less economic polarization is a good idea.Do not confuse Jesus with people who ignore his word. There are good and bad in every walk of life.Do you really think that Jesus was a capitalist, or that he'd favor the cruel and unfair capitalist system we see today? Of course not! Modern economics reveal that those religious right wingers place one thing above God and Jesus: the market.The principle of 'tithing' exists among many believers, doesn't it?We should give 10% of our incomes "to God"? What does that even mean? Throw some money as high as we can, and hope God 'grabs' it? I'm not really sure, but this is probably a reference to giving to the Church, or to charity.I have noticed that by and large, the folks most interested in redistribution of wealth have no wealth to redistribute. Perhaps if they made the effort to acquire some, and did so, I wonder how much of it they would be willing to redistribute?It doesn't at all mean there should be a completely flat tax. You can't rely on charity alone to redistribute wealth, hence social programs and taxes to fund them.Having long since gone to his reward, He now knows whether he was right. Your calculation of "everyone" is just about as half-baked as most of the socialist blather with which you are so well endowed. Evidently, you haven't come across the right people.I think that if this discussion shows anything, it shows that Nietszche was right, some 120 years ago-there was only 1 true Christian, and he died on the cross (as everyone seems to oppose one thing that Jesus and Christianity stand for, either socially, morally, or economically).
jay123 said:religion is conservative and reactionary either way you look at it. Religion is just control, islam, judaeism (sorry for spelling that wrong), christianity - all of them want to tell you what to do, what to think, who to obey. It's all just bourgeous control. A true liberal wouldn't be as arrogant to think that he knew the best for all the people's of the world - as 13 guys 2000 years ago seemed to think they did...
Fantasea said:Why? A large portion of poor rural folk, especially in the south, are already voting Republican.anomaly said:The Republicans wish all the poor were not poor so that they could contribute to the general welfare rather than being on it. That would also erase a major constituency of the Democratic Party, wouldn't it?
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