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Jeff Goldblum criticized for 'dangerous and hurtful' comments on Islam during 'RuPaul's Drag Race'

trouble13 said:
con·demn

verb

1.

express complete disapproval of, typically in public; censure.



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Ah, right. That kind of condemned.
I'd say most liberals do disapprove of various Islamic beliefs (e.g. on homosexuality) and wouldn't be afraid to say so, although might refrain from doing so, so as not to offend Muslims (which is perfectly reasonable).
 
trouble13 said:
Are you saying muslims are intolerant bigots that should be condemned for their beliefs?

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I wouldn't speak that broadly based purely on someone's religion. The books say a lot of things, not everyone strictly follows every bit out of every holy book. If you read the old testament and follow every single part of it, you'd be a pretty monstrous person. That doesn't mean Jews are inherently bad people.

Furthermore, here's something I don't think you've ever considered: it's possible to defend someone's right to their religious beliefs without agreeing with what those specific beliefs are. The first amendment means people have a right to be Muslim. Do you deny this?

I think religion is bad for people in general. But that doesn't give me a right to suppress their belief in it. However, and this is very important: that respect for their beliefs ends entirely the second their beliefs start to affect other people. You have a right to your religion, you do not have a right to apply it to other people.
 
Mongidig said:
I don't see whats dangerous or hurtful in what Goldblum asked. He asked a questions. So what! Shouldn't people be more critical of Islam's treatment of the LGBTQ community?
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Better yet, how muslims treat their women.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Better yet, how muslims treat their women.
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Yes, many Islamic nations treat women poorly. This is routinely condemned by liberals.

Of course, in America this is far less the case. Not that any of you make that kind of distinction.
 
Marrybore said:
We don't have to "take a side". Most liberals do not adhere to Islam themselves, and they disagree with the Islamic religion on many issues (e.g. homosexuality). It's Islamophobia we're against.
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I'm not afraid of islam, I merely despise islam. How will you categorize my purposeful, intended bigotry against islam?
 
Marrybore said:
Ah, right. That kind of condemned.
I'd say most liberals do disapprove of various Islamic beliefs (e.g. on homosexuality) and wouldn't be afraid to say so, although might refrain from doing so, so as not to offend Muslims (which is perfectly reasonable).
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It creates an interesting quandary for them to sort out. Defend muslims rights to believe their teachings or defend the physical attractions homosexuals have. In this particular instance they are in direct conflict with one another

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Mongidig said:
I don't see whats dangerous or hurtful in what Goldblum asked. He asked a questions. So what! Shouldn't people be more critical of Islam's treatment of the LGBTQ community?
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One of the great ironies of modern political "thought" is that those groups who most defend Muslim extremism in the USA and other western democracies, are often the first people who would be stoned if Sharia Law was imposed by Muslim extremists on western society
 
Deuce said:
Yes, many Islamic nations treat women poorly. This is routinely condemned by liberals.

Of course, in America this is far less the case. Not that any of you make that kind of distinction.
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What distinction is that? Do American liberals routinely divorce their wives by saying "I divorce you" three times? Do American liberals force their women to walk three step behind them? Is there some collective "you" I don't know about? You have no idea why I despise islam, yet you shoot from the hip. I call BS.
 
trouble13 said:
It creates an interesting quandary for them to sort out. Defend muslims rights to believe their teachings or defend the physical attractions homosexuals have. In this particular instance they are in direct conflict with one another

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In America christianity is the bigger threat
 
Deuce said:
I wouldn't speak that broadly based purely on someone's religion. The books say a lot of things, not everyone strictly follows every bit out of every holy book. If you read the old testament and follow every single part of it, you'd be a pretty monstrous person. That doesn't mean Jews are inherently bad people.

Furthermore, here's something I don't think you've ever considered: it's possible to defend someone's right to their religious beliefs without agreeing with what those specific beliefs are. The first amendment means people have a right to be Muslim. Do you deny this?

I think religion is bad for people in general. But that doesn't give me a right to suppress their belief in it. However, and this is very important: that respect for their beliefs ends entirely the second their beliefs start to affect other people. You have a right to your religion, you do not have a right to apply it to other people.
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Isnt that what musslims are doing to gays and women?

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vegas giants said:
And christanity
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Christians don't toss gays off of roofs like ISIS did.
Iran executes homosexuals.
Being gay is a crime in Yemen too.

if you ask me, the LGBT community has it good here in the US.
 
Roadvirus said:
Christians don't toss gays off of roofs like ISIS did.
Iran executes homosexuals.
Being gay is a crime in Yemen too.

if you ask me, the LGBT community has it good here in the US.
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Yes they said that about blacks when they were demanding civil rights too
 
Roadvirus said:
Christians don't toss gays off of roofs like ISIS did.
Iran executes homosexuals.
Being gay is a crime in Yemen too.

if you ask me, the LGBT community has it good here in the US.
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The LGBTQ community has it good in the US or humans have it good in the US? What's the difference?
 
Mongidig said:
I don't see whats dangerous or hurtful in what Goldblum asked. He asked a questions. So what! Shouldn't people be more critical of Islam's treatment of the LGBTQ community?
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Not without whatabouting to the Christians. See Post #5 for a stellar example.
 
vegas giants said:
Yes they said that about blacks when they were demanding civil rights too
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It's true that in most "Christian-dominated" countries, people are much more tolerant of homosexuality and homosexuals in general than in Islamic countries.
 
Marrybore said:
It's true that in most "Christian-dominated" countries, people are much more tolerant of homosexuality and homosexuals in general than in Islamic countries.
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Tolerant? As if that is a good thing.


How about equality?


Only Secular countries have that
 
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