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Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]


Smaller businesses do get tax breaks. Your argument is a red herring.
 

Greetings, PoweRob. :2wave:

That was one of the funniest things I have listened to in a long time! :lamo: She was great, wasn't she? Thanks for posting it! :thumbs: (I'm still laughing.....)
 
Greetings, PoweRob. :2wave:

That was one of the funniest things I have listened to in a long time! :lamo: She was great, wasn't she? Thanks for posting it! :thumbs: (I'm still laughing.....)

I think some of the greatest comedians are Texans and they tend to be politically active. Her, Jim Hightower and especially Kinky Friedman.
 
Liberals taking things out of context, imagine that.

The Obama economy is a part-time, low wage economy. We need good paying, full time jobs. Electing Democrats will not get you work.
We need good paying, full time jobs! That's why Republicans (and Obama) are pushing trade deals to ship more jobs overseas!
 
I think some of the greatest comedians are Texans and they tend to be politically active. Her, Jim Hightower and especially Kinky Friedman.

Ah, Kinky Friedman - the poor man's Donald Trump - shows up occasionally, says outrageous things and disappears again! :lamo: I like him!
 
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Ah, Kinky Friedman - the poor man's Donald Trump - shows up occasionally, says outrageous things and disappears again! :lamo: I like him!

If he does a show near you .... go see it. It'll hurt you from laughing so much.
 
If he does a show near you .... go see it. It'll hurt you from laughing so much.

I have seen him - my offspring live in Texas! They really like him!
 
Please tell me how the GOP cares about workers.

Well, they care about exploiting them. They care about denying equal pay for women, robbing pensioners and those with 401Ks, they care about not allowing for unions to organize or health care benefits for those fully employed.

Say what you want but it takes a lot to maintain that.
 

What? How exactly do I deny women equal pay by not mandating employers provide women equal pay? Is this like one of those tricks where if I give people the freedom to decide what they will pay people that somehow I'm forcing employers to not pay women equally?
 

Are you denying that women don't get equal pay? Or do you think they are paid less because they deserve less? Equal pay for equal work means just what it says.
 

^ i really liked this, it is a great explanation of why Jeb's comments are unbecoming of one we would elect to direct our country.
 
And this from the party that relied on the Supreme Court to tell the nation what the Democrats meant when they said the ACA wasn't really a tax and the federal subsidies didn't apply only to state exchanges.

What?

I don't pay any ACA tax.

The law obviously intended for federal subsidies to apply to states that refused to set up their own exchanges. Please read the SCOTUS decision before you use it as a talking point.
 
What?

I don't pay any ACA tax.

The law obviously intended for federal subsidies to apply to states that refused to set up their own exchanges. Please read the SCOTUS decision before you use it as a talking point.

The Supreme Court, in its first ruling on the ACA, declared it was constitutional because the mandate was a tax. Chief Justice Roberts parked his integrity and twisted himself into a pretzel in order to make that ruling to save the ACA.

I suggest you take your own advice to avoid looking foolish.
 

I can't see where Jeb was targeting as you seem to believe, "the most productive people" in his statement. I do agree that a large portion of those who are the most productive are likely be working longer hours than most, and some or many, may feel maxed out, but that doesn't have anything to do with Jeb's remark. With the number of people that have dropped out of the labor and the number of people looking for more hours, there clearly are workers who are willing to provide the hours necessary for the 4% growth rate, if somebody could find something for them to do. Where I clearly agree with you, and further reinforced by the amount of cash sitting idle in corporate coffers, is the lack of demand for increased investment and increased hours from the workforce.
 

Saudi oil money?
 

Ah, more of your Libertardian dream world rhetoric.
 
Ah, more of your Libertardian dream world rhetoric.

Can you perhaps share how my position denies women equal pay?
 
Your position? Are you a employer, Henrin?

How is that relevant? If I support doing nothing to resolve the apparent problem of equal pay for women is that the same thing as denying women equal pay?
 
Half the time Henrin, you're either so damn contradictory, confusing, or vague in your statements I haven't the slightest idea how to respond to you.
 

You only pay a tax if you don't have health care.

I suggest you take your own advice to avoid looking foolish.
 
Half the time Henrin, you're either so damn contradictory, confusing, or vague in your statements I haven't the slightest idea how to respond to you.

To be fair, there are lots of compelling contextual reasons that seek to explain the statistical wage gap between male and female employees. Linda Nochlin wrote a wonderful paper entitled (something like) "Why have there been no great women artists?" I highly recommend it.

I am quite confident that many employers pay as little as possible. Sometimes that may mean offering a woman a smaller starting salary with the presumption that she will be more likely to accept it anyway.

I think that, for this case, both sides have sufficiently compelling reasoning to justify toning down the rhetoric a bit. We suspect male employees do tend to have slightly higher job competitive drive, similarly we expect males generally have more upper body strength. Statistically, the difference in pay is certainly significant, but it is not supermassive so-as-to make pure gender discrimination the unquestionably dominant explanation for the overwhelming gap.

I think that, with the situation as it is, the best solution is not necessarily from legislation, but from individuals. It is illegal for a company to discriminate against employees salaries on the basis of gender, so sites like glassceiling can help employees keep employers honest. Employees should make use of these tools and make employers accountable. Unfortunately, i'm not fond of this solution because, if there are many potential applicants for a given position, you would have no leverage (they would just hire another woman who would accept the reduced pay), i just can't think of a better one. Forcing employers to pay the same, it's the system we're supposed to already have, but it gets increasingly complicated when tasks, bonuses and raises are always individualized.
 
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