Jan 6th: Riot only or, Attempted Insurrection?

[beefheart]

Did you go to Tonalea? I went to Supai.

No, I ride my bike past the old Tonalea. I went to Catholic confinement!

I saw the Exorcist at the Round Up, not a good film for kids...

 

[trixare4kids]

There was Russian interference in the election. The Mueller report proves this and the Russians have admitted it.

Stop denying it.

This is a perfect example of you NOT reading what I wrote.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

he never called 1/6 an insurrection and said it was a riot.

He didn't serve on the juries that convicted those of seditious conspiracy.

This is the same crowd who parroted the echo chamber's Russian/Trump collusion nonsense too.

The justice system has already determined collusion occurred, just as it found sedition. Your lot can't face these fact, reject US law and its determinations.

 

[IQ57]

What's your point? Everyone knows the police and LE response was horrible. That does not excuse Trump for calling up the mob and inciting them to destroy the capital. He did that, no matter what LE did or didn't do.

Sorry, you don't get to place blame on LE. The blame is 100% Trump's. Live with it.

People with TDS believe everything in the world is Trump’s fault.

It’s amazing how much power and control he has over the weak minded.

Some people can’t stop thinking about him or talking about him on a daily basis.

Unbridled hate brought to you by the media washing brains with propaganda.

 

[Callen]

Do you have the same zeal for prosecution of the progressive wackos who did the same thing at the Supreme Court when Kavanaugh was being sworn in?

They injured officers, destroyed property and illegally entered the Supreme Court? Details please then I'll tell you.

 

[IQ57]

I also believe the forum is heavily slanted to the left. Most like it that way too because then they feel like they're winning.

Reasonable debate is out the door.

You notice how anyone who hates Trump can’t handle a civil conversation?

It’s just hate and projection hardcore.

All they do is blame everything on Trump and pro-American patriots who love this country.

They have lost their bearing, not to mention their minds.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

No, I ride my bike past the old Tonalea. I went to Catholic confinement!

I saw the Exorcist at the Round Up, not a good film for kids...

We were next door to Papago Plaza, I can remember when Los Arcos was an empty field. Kids 3 doors over went to St. Daniels, my ex went to St. Thomas.

 

[beefheart]

We were next door to Papago Plaza, I can remember when Los Arcos was an empty field. Kids 3 doors over went to St. Daniels, my ex went to St. Thomas.

St Theresa's and Gerard High School.

 

[IQ57]

Prove it.

Thanks for making me laugh.

I use to have a personalized plate that said that. No joke.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

St Theresa's and Gerard High School.

She was a Redcoat too!

 

[beefheart]

She was a Redcoat too!

PM me, I bet I know her....

 

[trixare4kids]

People with TDS believe everything in the world is Trump’s fault.

It’s amazing how much power and control he has over the weak minded.

Some people can’t stop thinking about him or talking about him on a daily basis.

Unbridled hate brought to you by the media washing brains with propaganda.

It's become clear that some despise his supporters more than they do him.
I don't feel anything toward the voters because it's their choice and none of my business who they vote for.
I also think it's juvenile that they think being on the Trump train is some major crisis for the country.
I think 1/6 was a riot. They think it was an insurrection. Does it matter? It was horrible no matter what, and that's the recognition we all should be in agreement with.

None of this matters in the long of it. Presidents come and go. What's more important is what is going on in one's state or local community. I care more about voting for this than the president, tbh.

 

[IQ57]

She was a Redcoat too!

PM me, I bet I know her....

^^^This is how “sewing circles” get started.

Conspiracies to self-agree upon.

 

[Callen]

None of this matters in the long of it. Presidents come and go. What's more important is what is going on in one's state or local community. I care more about voting for this than the president, tbh.

Would that it didn't but it does. A second Trump Presidency would be disastrous for the US in so many ways. Just thinking of what he would do for a Cabinet is cringe worthy. Critical roles in critical departments that matter to Americans would likely be staffed with incompetent sycophants loyal to Trump. For example Flynn as Secretary of Defense would be disastrous. I can't even imagine who he could get for AG or Secretary of State. Of course they will all be acting because he won't get them through the Senate.

 

[Luce]

Peace and love, we are in this together.

No we aren't. You People hate the republic.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Doesn't this assume that the same HSC results would be regardless of whom is on the HSC?
I don't believe that is an assumption borne out by the results the HSC delivered.

Whether it was Pelosi herself who found the taped call with Raffensperger and introduced it to the committee or if it would have been Jordan or Banks, does that change what it is?

Is this 'A Search For The Truth' in order to prevent future recurrences? Or is this nothing more than a political exercise to hang the opposing party in the court of public opinion?
HSC was the latter, clearly.

What is far clearer is even in the GOP there was disapproval for what Trump did immediately following the events of 1/6. So we're back to the problem of this being just a Democrat/GOP issue or a Democrat & GOP/Trump aligned GOP issue. Regardless of what one thinks of the politics, there is still the matter of what we know about the former president's actions. I don't think that should be ignored.

Another way to ask this question, in the HSC conclusions, was there a single Democrat or left leaning blamed for anything of significance?
I don't think there was.

I don't think so either, but in the context of what happened, no Democrat was seeking to introduce fake electors, pressuring election officials, or staging a protest.

My conclusion is that HSC was nothing more than a political exercise to hang the opposing party in the court of public opinion. A one sided political ploy.

That would be an odd conclusion given that there were GOP members on the committee and there was opposition to what Trump did from within his own party.

I think this far more likely than what you are posting as your opinion.

Pelosi created the hand picked lynch mob of her own volition. She deliberately stocked it with two fringe Republicans. Not bipartisan by any means.

Claiming Pelosi didn't dictate committee membership is delusional. Yes or no, was every Republican member hand chosen by Pelosi? Yes, she eschewed the process for creating a bipartisan committee. That's what the facts show.

Likewise, the fact is Pelosi insisted on veto power over Republican membership. The Republicans refused to participate in her sham show trial. Your pathetic spin doesn't counter the facts.

That's an opinion, but it doesn't address any of the points I made previously regarding the findings, and it's more of the same complaints that ignore McCarthy's self sabotage. On the topic of facts, the ones we have should be the focus because partisanship has little to do with the ones I've already presented.

 

[SkyFox76]

What does it even matter what word one uses? A mob overran the Capitol building with the purpose of interfering with the peaceful transfer of power. Uses what ever word you want including disgraceful. However most members of this mob were just useful idiots doing what they believed their President wanted them to do. Those who harmed police , destroyed property or illegally entered the building with the purpose of disrupting the session and the seditionists have all paid the price of their crimes. It is only left for those who conspired to subvert the election to pay their price and that appears to be happening as we type.

Yesterday Rachel Powell was found guilty on 9 felony charges. She's on video using a battering ram with her hubby to break out a window.

Court documents say she left 6 of her kids (she has 8) home alone while taking part in J6. Because of those kids she was granted home detention until sentencing. But Rachel isn't happy with that. She not only asked the court to lift the home detention, but to also remove her ankle monitor and curfew because......well, because her kids are missing out on activities due to the fact she can't drive them to the events. Oh and she also whined that they have to live in a smaller house because she had to sell their home to get money for a lawyer.

So basically what Ms battering ram Powell was doing was trying to use the same kids she left abandoned at home on J6 as a bargaining chip in the courts to be free of any pre-sentencing punishment. She even drug all 8 to the courtroom yesterday so they could hear she's guilty of the charges.

Hopefully a responsible adult is in the picture somewhere or these kids are going to have a rough go of things thanks to her selfish decisions.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

^^^This is how “sewing circles” get started.

Conspiracies to self-agree upon.

I knew I had some things in common with Beefheart from past comments about Phx, but not this much. Phx was a big "little" town, the natives used to know each other via degrees of separation, I hope someday you might reconnect with an old neighbor.

The difference is that we are not supporting each other while supporting the single largest domestic attack on the federal government of the United States since the civil war.

What is wrong with you people?

 

[Overitall]

It's become clear that some despise his supporters more than they do him.
I don't feel anything toward the voters because it's their choice and none of my business who they vote for.
I also think it's juvenile that they think being on the Trump train is some major crisis for the country.
I think 1/6 was a riot. They think it was an insurrection. Does it matter? It was horrible no matter what, and that's the recognition we all should be in agreement with.

None of this matters in the long of it. Presidents come and go. What's more important is what is going on in one's state or local community. I care more about voting for this than the president, tbh.

I would like to tack another year on the sentences of 1/6 rioters just for making MAGAs associated with them. They did more harm to the movement than anything else. Covid pandemic compared to the damage they caused politically is like comparing a bloody nose to an amputation.

 

[trixare4kids]

Thanks for making me laugh.

I use to have a personalized plate that said that. No joke.

Love it!

 

[IQ57]

^^^This is how “sewing circles” get started.

Conspiracies to self-agree upon.

I knew I had some things in common with Beefheart from past comments about Phx, but not this much. Phx was a big "little" town, the natives used to know each other via degrees of separation, I hope someday you might reconnect with an old neighbor.

The difference is that we are not supporting each other while supporting the single largest domestic attack on the federal government of the United States since the civil war.

What is wrong with you people?

Thanks for proving me correct.

Agreeing on what the media tells you to believe.

It would be nice if people could think for themselves and take a shot at reality outside their pseudo-“safe spaces”

 

[trixare4kids]

I would like to tack another year on the sentences of 1/6 rioters just for making MAGAs associated with them. They did more harm to the movement than anything else. Covid pandemic compared to the damage they caused politically is like comparing a bloody nose to an amputation.

I agree with this completely. I know there are more of us than them, BUT, the left who takes it out on US, they're doing their political agendas no favors. Trump haters and haters of his supporters or voters, and this is just my observation, are sending Trump's approval numbers up instead of down. People, in general, are p/off that Joe Biden's supporters are painting the entire town as far right semi-fascist extremists. IOW, most every time they go after him, they go after THEM, and up goes Trump's numbers. That's the way I see it, anyway. All the hate they show isn't doing them any good. What are they gaining from it? Biden's numbers aren't so hot.

BBL

 

[AZRWinger]

Of course, they were instigated. It began before the election when Trump told his followers that if he lost, it had to be because of voter fraud. They were groomed early and often by Trump.

Then he invited them for Jan, 6th. Then he and few of his loud-mouthed lawyers got the crowd all riled up and he then told them to march on the capital.

There is no way Trump didn't incite or at least take part in the incitement. All he had to do was concede, and these past 2.5 years of pure chaos would have never happened.

Pointing out the potential for fraud inherent in the Marc Elias lawfare campaign against election integrity laws isn't grooming. It's a warning to be alert to the activities of a Democrat activist election fixer. There should be no problem shining a spot light on a lawyer notorious for doing anything to win elections. A partner in the law firm Hillary used to launder payments for the dirty dossier in violation of campaign finance laws.

The Stop the Steal rally had permits for the site where Trump spoke, a march to the Capitol, and a second rally on the Capitol grounds. There were no incidents in either the first rally where Trump supposedly whipped the crowd into a violent frenzy or the march to the Capitol. There is video of someone unidentified peeling back the small fence meant to mark the boundary of the Capitol rally before marchers arrived. An invitation to enter.

All Trump had to do was accept the election fraud and bow down to the new President like Democrats did when he won in 2016. Oh wait, Democrats went on an unrelenting campaign to overturn his election.

 

[IQ57]

Pointing out the potential for fraud inherent in the Marc Elias lawfare campaign against election integrity laws isn't grooming. It's a warning to be alert to the activities of a Democrat activist election fixer. There should be no problem shining a spot light on a lawyer notorious for doing anything to win elections. A partner in the law firm Hillary used to launder payments for the dirty dossier in violation of campaign finance laws.

The Stop the Steal rally had permits for the site where Trump spoke, a march to the Capitol, and a second rally on the Capitol grounds. There were no incidents in either the first rally where Trump supposedly whipped the crowd into a violent frenzy or the march to the Capitol. There is video of someone unidentified peeling back the small fence meant to mark the boundary of the Capitol rally before marchers arrived. An invitation to enter.

All Trump had to do was accept the election fraud and bow down to the new President like Democrats did when he won in 2016. Oh wait, Democrats went on an unrelenting campaign to overturn his election.

I watched the steal take place. It’s sickening.

The media covers with a lying narrative of projection and hate.

They are riling up their base with lies and hate.

You can see it everywhere on a daily basis.

All things Trump and hate for the right, American patriots who love this country.

The corrupt elites want power OVER the people and not FOR the people. It’s plain as day to see.

They are making people crazy and turning them loose to run amuck.

 

[AZRWinger]

No none can talk to each another when one person refuses the definitions. You have no understanding of the word "persistent", let alone get into any discussion of inflation.

Show me on the doll where the mean lady touched you.

You are the one who deceitfully edited the definition of persistent then insisted the actual full definition must agree with your primitive conjecture.

Thanks for confirming the Bad Orange Man devotee is a child playing with dolls.