Im guessing you might have been missing his point, which was essentially agreeing with you by being sarcastic. Ironically...CanadaJohn then agreed with YOU which makes this whole thing kind of a funny/tragic three ring circus.
It's impossible to know, from the video, what part the young man played in his own troubles in the jail. In each of the first two incidents I saw in the video, he said something to the guard and he also said something to one of the other inmates and then started the incident by punching another of the inmates in the face. Unless we know what he said, we can't know why he was attacked. And in the gang attack, he started the fight so he got what he deserved.
Secondly, I'd note that in the first incident, with the guards, all the guards who roughed him up were black. In the second incident, the two guards who protected him and got him to safety were white.
Thirdly, he was out of the jail for 2 and a half years before he killed himself - what happened both to him and for him in those intervening years between jail and death? Anyone know?
Finally, I'd say this video does nothing to support the "black lives matter" nonsense since I didn't see a single black person in the video who gave a **** about black life they were trying to end.
This video says more about blacks in America than it does about the American Justice System. Americans should be glad these less than humans are off the streets.
What makes no sense? He didn't post bond, spent three years in jail, never tried or convicted, spent 2 years in solitary of those 3. It doesn't have to "make sense," it's fact, what happened.
I'm guessing, a city the size of New York has an abundance of bail bondsmen. If, as noted by Chase, the bail was $3500, that takes a personal note of about $350 plus fees to get the bail posted. Don't try to tell me that a family that cares about a "son" can't come up with $350 in the course of 3 years. I'm not buying it. And if a couple who apparently have fostered 25 children over the years can't come up with $350, they shouldn't be fostering children. It makes no sense on its face.
As more than half of the suicides in the Army today involve individuals that have NEVER deployed, you may be barking...but not up the right tree.Does every veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan commit suicide? No. So f'em all if they can't handle civilian life after combat. Right? It's either the soldiers' fault or their families, so there's no issue for anyone else to worry about.....
He was offered on two seperate occasions the opportunity to leave jail with time served while awaiting trial. He said "I'm good" and opted to stay in jail. That doesnt include the numerous plea bargains he was offered.This is a constitutional issue here...3 years in jail without being tried for something isn't a "speedy trial" and the fact a bond was offered doesn't mean someone no longer has a right to a speedy trial.
Just curious, there are perhaps 10s of thousands of vets suffering PTSD and other mental illnesses long (years!!) after they were in Iraq/Afghanistan. Suicide among returning vets, along with substance abuse, depression, etc. is a serious problem. I guess you'll blame the combat veterans, too, when they kill themselves, tell the family it was their fault for not taking better care of their veteran spouse, or their husband/wife was just a weak loser? Yeah, right...
It's always shocking how misinformed the American public is about mental health issues.
Yes but bondsmen typically don't return the money to you so that's taken as a total loss while posting bail yourself is just a temporary loss of money. So in a state where bondsmen are not legal it's easier to get help to make bail because the person knows (hopes) they are more likely to get the money back and may be easier to get a loan.
Just curious, if the video had a bunch of skinheads, it would say more about whites in America than the justice system?
And who are the "less than humans?" "Blacks in America" or violent individuals locked up. It's not clear from your statement which group we should be happy are locked up. I'm not sure of any "American" who is sad violent criminals are behind bars, but I don't actually care what color they are.
He was offered on two seperate occasions the opportunity to leave jail with time served while awaiting trial. He said "I'm good" and opted to stay in jail. That doesnt include the numerous plea bargains he was offered.
This is a constitutional issue here...3 years in jail without being tried for something isn't a "speedy trial" and the fact a bond was offered doesn't mean someone no longer has a right to a speedy trial.
Just curious, there are perhaps 10s of thousands of vets suffering PTSD and other mental illnesses long (years!!) after they were in Iraq/Afghanistan. Suicide among returning vets, along with substance abuse, depression, etc. is a serious problem. I guess you'll blame the combat veterans, too, when they kill themselves, tell the family it was their fault for not taking better care of their veteran spouse, or their husband/wife was just a weak loser? Yeah, right...
It's always shocking how misinformed the American public is about mental health issues.
Clearly, you're correct. It's the inferences that are the problem, as initially provided in post 1 of this thread. We don't know the answers to the why for any of those facts you state. My comment "it makes no sense on its face" is in reference to the inferences, not the facts as presented.
As an example, it's assumed in the OP and by others that his spending 2 years in solitary confinement was a form of unwarranted punishment. Do we know that to be true? Could it be he was in solitary because of his own behaviour? Could it be he was in solitary for his own safety? We don't have the answers, at least not in this thread, yet it's assumed that the justice department was unfairly punishing him. That may be true, but it's not been proven.
You find it somehow unbelievable the family couldn't come up with bail. They didn't. Obviously part of the issue with the criminal justice system is that if you DO have a supportive family, and/or money, you'd have spent a couple nights if that in jail. Poor people by the HUNDREDS in NY, and by the thousands across the country, spend years in jail with no trial effectively because they are poor. Sure, condemn the family. I don't know, but we can assume they're not winning parents of the year. Doesn't change what happened to the kid, or that the system failed him in a particularly catastrophic way.
And if he was in solitary confinement, an act we know causes serious, long term, mental problems for adults, for "his own safety" based on a charge of robbery of a damn backpack - jail is too dangerous for a 16 year old - then maybe that's a serious problem with the system? Yeah, that's part of the whole point. Also, too, the trial delays. Sure, maybe his "agents" or whatever you called them requested continuances because they've got 1,000 other defendants they're trying to weave through the system. Again, that's not the kid's problem - he's poor, and he's entitled to competent defense. He didn't get it.
Bail was quoted as $10K - His mother said she didn't have it.Tell us why. Do you know, or are you just assuming the worst?
Why no bail? First time offense? Stealing a backpack and staying locked up for 3 years isn't normal, so what's the reason?
Is the justice system responsible for the seeming lack of care his family got him for the 2 and a half years he was out of jail after the charges were dropped? Does every juvenile who gets in trouble commit suicide when they get out?
I suppose you didn't actually look at the video or you wouldn't ask the questions. My comments are quite clear. The young black men who kicked, stomped on, beat, and otherwise attempted to hurt or kill the young man in question are the ones I was referring to as less than human. You are free to agree or disagree - makes no difference to me.
Bail was quoted as $10K - His mother said she didn't have it.
This video says more about blacks in America than it does about the American Justice System. Americans should be glad these less than humans are off the streets.
No...he was offered bail options as well as plea bargains. Did you read the stories that were linked?To get out for "time served" wouldn't he have to plead guilty? So the right to a speedy trial doesn't exist if you are given the opportunity to just plead guilty to a crime in order to get out?
Jeeze...spend three years in jail or leave early with a criminal record. Sounds just to me...
Bail was quoted as $10K - His mother said she didn't have it.
Your comment is clear. You said the video told us about "blacks in America." Not "violent criminals in Rikers who are black" or "blacks in that jail" but "blacks in AMERICA." Pretty broad category. But it told us nothing about "blacks" anywhere. It told us about something those individuals in the video, who I'm pretty sure we're ALL glad are in jail.
That's why several have commented on that post, and in response you said you didn't take back or weren't walking back any of your comments. OK, taking you at your word, drawing conclusions about "blacks in America" from that video of some small number of individual blacks in prison, caught on tape, is racist, so don't be surprised when you're called out on it.
If you didn't mean "blacks in America" but "the black individuals in that video" then you can say so and we'll all drop it.
All things considered, CJ definitely could have expressed that sentiment better. He could have been far more selective rather than using the broad brush. I dont think the videos offered speaks to 'blacks in America'. But to those particular groups of people that happen to be black? The prison guards that beat him down, one of which was caught on video? The gang assaults that DID NOT STOP...even after guards were putting themselves between him and the gangs and even after the kid had been secured in a side room? Speaks pretty poorly of those groups.I am afraid this disgusting statement says more about your racism that is does blacks in America. :3oops:
Cover blown.
Happened under obamas watch
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