Ivermectin is safe? Not so fast...

[snakestretcher]

Reports of poisoning and serious side effects after taking the horse wormer are flooding Poison Control centres...

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-08-27-cdc-alerts-clinicians-surge-ivermectin-poisoning-during-

More Mississippians Using Ivermectin For Livestock Against Covid-19, Then Calling Poison Control

Less than 40% of people in Mississippi are fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

www.forbes.com

An animal dewormer to treat COVID? Poison control centers see uptick in calls; stores sell out

Poison control centers across the U.S. are receiving calls about this livestock deworming drug that people are using to try to treat COVID-19.

eu.usatoday.com

Americans are poisoning themselves with this unapproved COVID drug

Feed stores in low-vaccine states are selling out of livestock de-wormer Ivermectin.

www.motherjones.com

Anyone dumb enough to deliberately poison themselves deserves no sympathy, frankly.

 

[Colin Norris]

Reports of poisoning and serious side effects after taking the horse wormer are flooding Poison Control centres...

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-08-27-cdc-alerts-clinicians-surge-ivermectin-poisoning-during-

More Mississippians Using Ivermectin For Livestock Against Covid-19, Then Calling Poison Control

Less than 40% of people in Mississippi are fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

www.forbes.com

An animal dewormer to treat COVID? Poison control centers see uptick in calls; stores sell out

Poison control centers across the U.S. are receiving calls about this livestock deworming drug that people are using to try to treat COVID-19.

eu.usatoday.com

Americans are poisoning themselves with this unapproved COVID drug

Feed stores in low-vaccine states are selling out of livestock de-wormer Ivermectin.

www.motherjones.com

Anyone dumb enough to deliberately poison themselves deserves no sympathy, frankly.

I can assure everyone, I took ivermectin as a de worming thing, at recommended rate and didn't die.
At the time it was promoted as a covid cure it was not registered for it. Not sure about now.

 

[fireflygmf]

Reports of poisoning and serious side effects after taking the horse wormer are flooding Poison Control centres...

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-08-27-cdc-alerts-clinicians-surge-ivermectin-poisoning-during-

More Mississippians Using Ivermectin For Livestock Against Covid-19, Then Calling Poison Control

Less than 40% of people in Mississippi are fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

www.forbes.com

An animal dewormer to treat COVID? Poison control centers see uptick in calls; stores sell out

Poison control centers across the U.S. are receiving calls about this livestock deworming drug that people are using to try to treat COVID-19.

eu.usatoday.com

Americans are poisoning themselves with this unapproved COVID drug

Feed stores in low-vaccine states are selling out of livestock de-wormer Ivermectin.

www.motherjones.com

Anyone dumb enough to deliberately poison themselves deserves no sympathy, frankly.

Yes, some people will take toxic amounts of a substance and it will get huge airplay in today's climate. I trust data and not anecdotal reports. The official consensus on this drug is that it is very safe (like acetaminophen safe) at published dosages. Unfortunately, doesn't look to be effective as a COVID treatment, but the search continues for more antivirals and we have excellent vaccines.

Also, didn't you hear? Think water is safe? Not so fast...

 

[snakestretcher]

I can assure everyone, I took ivermectin as a de worming thing, at recommended rate and didn't die.
At the time it was promoted as a covid cure it was not registered for it. Not sure about now.

It still is not recommended for Covid. People take non-prescription drugs at their own risk.

 

[Airyaman]

I'm sure Ivermectin is safe in dosages prescribed by a competent physician. Dosing yourself with the stuff you get at the feed store, not so much.

 

[bluesmoke]

This doctor who promotes Ivermectin probably convinced the woman to demand her loved one on a ventilator be given the animal de-worming drug. The judge ordered it so:

An Ohio judge ordered a hospital to use the deworming drug ivermectin to treat a patient with COVID-19 (msn.com)

The doc is an Ivermectin drummer.

 

[bluesmoke]

Yes, some people will take toxic amounts of a substance and it will get huge airplay in today's climate. I trust data and not anecdotal reports. The official consensus on this drug is that it is very safe (like acetaminophen safe) at published dosages. Unfortunately, doesn't look to be effective as a COVID treatment, but the search continues for more antivirals and we have excellent vaccines.

Also, didn't you hear? Think water is safe? Not so fast...

The very few studies that have shown any possible benefit from Ivermectin in saving the life of a COVID patient is to further study the effects of the drug at 50 times the previously studied dosage in order to find out. A study, not for treating patients but only guinea pigs.

There's a diff btx taking too much Ivermectin, for which there is no medically accepted recommended dosage, vs too much acetaminophen (over the recommended dosage).

Standard Dose Ivermectin for COVID-19 - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Sweden]

Reports of poisoning and serious side effects after taking the horse wormer are flooding Poison Control centres...

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-08-27-cdc-alerts-clinicians-surge-ivermectin-poisoning-during-

More Mississippians Using Ivermectin For Livestock Against Covid-19, Then Calling Poison Control

Less than 40% of people in Mississippi are fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

www.forbes.com

An animal dewormer to treat COVID? Poison control centers see uptick in calls; stores sell out

Poison control centers across the U.S. are receiving calls about this livestock deworming drug that people are using to try to treat COVID-19.

eu.usatoday.com

Americans are poisoning themselves with this unapproved COVID drug

Feed stores in low-vaccine states are selling out of livestock de-wormer Ivermectin.

www.motherjones.com

Anyone dumb enough to deliberately poison themselves deserves no sympathy, frankly.

People who are dumb deserve sympathy for having been dealt a poor hand of genes - not their fault. Intelligence is heritable

 

[JMB802]

Reports of poisoning and serious side effects after taking the horse wormer are flooding Poison Control centres...

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-08-27-cdc-alerts-clinicians-surge-ivermectin-poisoning-during-

More Mississippians Using Ivermectin For Livestock Against Covid-19, Then Calling Poison Control

Less than 40% of people in Mississippi are fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

www.forbes.com

An animal dewormer to treat COVID? Poison control centers see uptick in calls; stores sell out

Poison control centers across the U.S. are receiving calls about this livestock deworming drug that people are using to try to treat COVID-19.

eu.usatoday.com

Americans are poisoning themselves with this unapproved COVID drug

Feed stores in low-vaccine states are selling out of livestock de-wormer Ivermectin.

www.motherjones.com

Anyone dumb enough to deliberately poison themselves deserves no sympathy, frankly.

I don't get it. Ivermectin is approved for human use for other indications. It takes 20 seconds to search for dosing info online. Are these people too stupid to do the math?

 

[holbritter]

This doctor who promotes Ivermectin probably convinced the woman to demand her loved one on a ventilator be given the animal de-worming drug. The judge ordered it so:

An Ohio judge ordered a hospital to use the deworming drug ivermectin to treat a patient with COVID-19 (msn.com)

The doc is an Ivermectin drummer.

At that point, why not try everything you can?

 

[longview]

I don't get it. Ivermectin is approved for human use for other indications. It takes 20 seconds to search for dosing info online. Are people just not able to do the math?

Year ago, when I worked at a University, there was a long discussion about why Humanity majors had a collage algebra requirement.
The requirement stayed, but yes, people cannot do the math, nor should they! If a doctor prescribes Ivermectin, it will be the Human version, in a Human dosage.
If a doctor does not prescribe it, perhaps self medicating with drugs for farm animals from the feed store, is not the safest path!

 

[JMB802]

If a doctor does not prescribe it, perhaps self medicating with drugs for farm animals from the feed store, is not the safest path!

I completely agree. I'm just pointing out that if you want to go down that path, finding the correct dosage and comparing formulations is not that difficult.

 

[longview]

I completely agree. I'm just pointing out that if you want to go down that path, finding the correct dosage and comparing formulations is not that difficult.

Agreed, but remember because the average IQ is 100, means that half of the population is below 100!

 

[fireflygmf]

The very few studies that have shown any possible benefit from Ivermectin in saving the life of a COVID patient is to further study the effects of the drug at 50 times the previously studied dosage in order to find out. A study, not for treating patients but only guinea pigs.

There's a diff btx taking too much Ivermectin, for which there is no medically accepted recommended dosage, vs too much acetaminophen (over the recommended dosage).

Standard Dose Ivermectin for COVID-19 - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

But that's not what the report that you linked said?? That link is an open letter from a group performing a double blind RCT, and sites one study that claimed 50x dosage. They then go on to complain that uncontrolled usage is confounding the clarity of whether or not the stuff works and cite usage in Latin America. I happen to agree with the link you posted, but it doesn't actually say what you claim.

 

[Quag]

I completely agree. I'm just pointing out that if you want to go down that path, finding the correct dosage and comparing formulations is not that difficult.

People who decide to dose themselves with a drug bought from a feed store that has proven to be ineffective are probably not the smartest people in the world

 

[Visbek]

At that point, why not try everything you can?

Let us count the ways.

Being on a ventilator isn't a death sentence; a substantial percentage of patients survive. Giving someone medication that is not necessary at that stage will at best provide false hope, at worst harm the patient when they are in a fragile state (especially if you give a high dose).

Further, the evidence is pretty clear right now that ivermectin does not work for COVID. Thus, the truly worrisome part here is that a doctor is ignoring both the evidence and FDA recommendations.

No one should be taking ivermectin for COVID unless they're participating in a study.

 

[holbritter]

Let us count the ways.

Being on a ventilator isn't a death sentence; a substantial percentage of patients survive. Giving someone medication that is not necessary at that stage will at best provide false hope, at worst harm the patient when they are in a fragile state (especially if you give a high dose).

Further, the evidence is pretty clear right now that ivermectin does not work for COVID. Thus, the truly worrisome part here is that a doctor is ignoring both the evidence and FDA recommendations.

No one should be taking ivermectin for COVID unless they're participating in a study.

You don't get to make that decision. What's a 'substantial' percentage? Your idea of substantial can differ from others. Around 30% survive, which is the average number I'm seeing, isn't substantial to me.

 

[Visbek]

You don't get to make that decision.

The FDA made that decision. Not me.

FDA: Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.

www.fda.gov

What's a 'substantial' percentage?

40-50%. Even if it's 30% (which is definitely "substantial"), that is more than enough not to give a patient medication which at best has no effect, at worst can cause harm.

Keep in mind that patients on ventilators are also taking numerous other medications, which can interact with whatever allegedly "safe" medications the doctor adds to the mix.

 

[holbritter]

The FDA made that decision. Not me.

FDA: Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.

www.fda.gov

40-50%. Even if it's 30% (which is definitely "substantial"), that is more than enough not to give a patient medication which at best has no effect, at worst can cause harm.

Keep in mind that patients on ventilators are also taking numerous other medications, which can interact with whatever allegedly "safe" medications the doctor adds to the mix.

Even the FDA doesn't get to decide if someone wants to take something. My body, my choice.
Not saying I would (because I wouldn't) and I don't think people should, but if it was a last resort, I might.

 

[CaughtInThe]

the idiots are taking ivermectin and then shitting themselves before calling for help.

 

[beefheart]

The anti-science anti-vaxxers won't take a vaccine that is approved, and proven safe, but they will cram their maws with a cream to de-worm horses, because they will believe anything except actual science.

 

[snakestretcher]

I don't get it. Ivermectin is approved for human use for other indications. It takes 20 seconds to search for dosing info online. Are these people too stupid to do the math?

When people rely on youtube videos for their 'facts', yes they are too stupid.

 

[Visbek]

Even the FDA doesn't get to decide if someone wants to take something.

Uhhh... Yeah, they do. They're a regulatory agency. That's a big part of their job, and it's why you need a prescription to take lots of medications. You can't just haul off and take chemo or opiates or anti-malarial pills just because you want them.

Even if the drug doesn't require a prescription, they have some controls -- e.g. you can't buy 200 boxes of Sudafed and use it to make meth.

I hate to break this to you, but governments regulate what you can do with, put into, and take out of your body all the time.

Doctors are given significant latitude -- if a drug is found to be safe, the FDA assumes doctors know enough to prescribe it responsibly. In this case, though, the FDA has specifically advised that doctors shouldn't prescribe it for COVID unless the patient is in a drug trial.

Thus, a doctor who prescribes it to a patient for COVID is not, at this time, acting responsibly. That isn't just because there is no evidence that it works, no guidance on dosage, and possible harm that results. It's also because it plays into the disinformation that is literally killing people even as I type.

 

[CaughtInThe]

The anti-science anti-vaxxers won't take a vaccine that is approved, and proven safe, but they will cram their maws with a cream to de-worm horses, because they will believe anything except actual science.

And then they shit all over themselves before calling 911.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Uhhh... Yeah, they do. They're a regulatory agency. That's a big part of their job, and it's why you need a prescription to take lots of medications. You can't just haul off and take chemo or opiates or anti-malarial pills just because you want them.

Even if the drug doesn't require a prescription, they have some controls -- e.g. you can't buy 200 boxes of Sudafed and use it to make meth.

I hate to break this to you, but governments regulate what you can do with, put into, and take out of your body all the time.

Doctors are given significant latitude -- if a drug is found to be safe, the FDA assumes doctors know enough to prescribe it responsibly. In this case, though, the FDA has specifically advised that doctors shouldn't prescribe it for COVID unless the patient is in a drug trial.

Thus, a doctor who prescribes it to a patient for COVID is not, at this time, acting responsibly. That isn't just because there is no evidence that it works, no guidance on dosage, and possible harm that results. It's also because it plays into the disinformation that is literally killing people even as I type.

And thank God things are regulated because we actually have a ton of idiots who are so stupid that they will take horse pills because some guy named Ralph on YouTube said it was a miracle.