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Ivermectin is safe? Not so fast...

ElChupacabra said:
That hasn't changed and the manufacturer (Merck) advised it wasn't tested for that kind of use either.
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Yep.

I don't know why anyone in their right mind would want to take it unless it was needed. I don't do any chemicals. It takes a rare circumstance to get me to take chemicals.

I do understand if someone is seriously sick, with covid-19, that they might ask for this treatment to be tried. But even in the study I read, didn't show any promise as a preventative treatment.
 
snakestretcher said:
Reports of poisoning and serious side effects after taking the horse wormer are flooding Poison Control centres...

www.forbes.com

More Mississippians Using Ivermectin For Livestock Against Covid-19, Then Calling Poison Control

Less than 40% of people in Mississippi are fully vaccinated against Covid-19.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

eu.usatoday.com

An animal dewormer to treat COVID? Poison control centers see uptick in calls; stores sell out

Poison control centers across the U.S. are receiving calls about this livestock deworming drug that people are using to try to treat COVID-19.
eu.usatoday.com

www.motherjones.com

Americans are poisoning themselves with this unapproved COVID drug

Feed stores in low-vaccine states are selling out of livestock de-wormer Ivermectin.
www.motherjones.com www.motherjones.com

Anyone dumb enough to deliberately poison themselves deserves no sympathy, frankly.
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The number of people CALLING - not winding up in trouble - but merely phoning in are not very high. The news likes to exaggerate. I read an article - posted it I think - about Texas. Out of 28 million people, they've had 105 phone ins on Ivermectin. And then they called it a 500 plus percent increase. See what I mean?? And little kids get it into it sometimes because it's apple flavored, at least some of the generics are. The press exaggerates everything. If I gave you the stats on how much Ivermectin it takes for a horse to have any side effects, you'd be shocked. And people give it to their dogs every month to prevent heartworm. And these reports are predicated mostly on PHONE INS. We have a lot of tabloids over here, SS, that are respectable in name only because nobody realizes what they really are. Thanks!!
 
Logophile said:
The number of people CALLING - not winding up in trouble - but merely phoning in are not very high. The news likes to exaggerate. I read an article - posted it I think - about Texas. Out of 28 million people, they've had 105 phone ins on Ivermectin. And then they called it a 500 plus percent increase. See what I mean?? And little kids get it into it sometimes because it's apple flavored, at least some of the generics are. The press exaggerates everything. If I gave you the stats on how much Ivermectin it takes for a horse to have any side effects, you'd be shocked. And people give it to their dogs every month to prevent heartworm. And these reports are predicated mostly on PHONE INS. We have a lot of tabloids over here, SS, that are respectable in name only because nobody realizes what they really are. Thanks!!
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I wonder how it compares to other overdose calls using other prescription drugs like oxycotin?
 
Lord of Planar said:
I wonder how it compares to other overdose calls using other prescription drugs like oxycotin?
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Indeed. Or for that matter, ibuprofen. We have a liberal press corps that twists itself into knots to promote some "hicksville" dummy culture, using every ploy imaginable. The liberal press loves lurid photos and giant headlines of some poor regretful soul that "wishes he had gotten vaccinated." 330 plus million people but that's what the unethical press globs on to. Most of the liberal media is worse than the Enquirer. It's why so many people just don't believe the press anymore. Thanks!!
 
Logophile said:
Indeed. Or for that matter, ibuprofen. We have a liberal press corps that twists itself into knots to promote some "hicksville" dummy culture, using every ploy imaginable. The liberal press loves lurid photos and giant headlines of some poor regretful soul that "wishes he had gotten vaccinated." 330 plus million people but that's what the unethical press globs on to. Most of the liberal media is worse than the Enquirer. It's why so many people just don't believe the press anymore. Thanks!!
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How else would you describe someone ingesting horse worming paste?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Laugh all you want. It was a decision I made after weighing what I knew. It was not FDA approved, and there were several reports of side effects. Myself, I wasn't in the danger category of people, so the only reason why I got it was to get to that 70%.

Oh... Businesses were also allowed to make everyone wear a mask, unless they showed proof of vaccination. It was nioce going into my favorite nightclub unmasked, for that short period of time. That was the second selling point for me to get the vaccine.

Do you typically laugh about matters you don't understand?
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dude. a lot of guys that thought they had good (or superior) immune systems now lay in boxes under dirt.

and that's not only from COVID but from a lot of stuff.
 


Fox viewer folk are such sheep. If the Fox pundits say it, they not only believe any lie they say, they flat out do what they tell them to do. Amazing nazi-like control.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
You had worms?

Aren't they good for weight loss?
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It was precautionary and not what we were looking for so I never lost weight either.

Although I did get a little agitated each time I saw a bull.
 
Logophile said:
Indeed. Or for that matter, ibuprofen. We have a liberal press corps that twists itself into knots to promote some "hicksville" dummy culture, using every ploy imaginable. The liberal press loves lurid photos and giant headlines of some poor regretful soul that "wishes he had gotten vaccinated." 330 plus million people but that's what the unethical press globs on to. Most of the liberal media is worse than the Enquirer. It's why so many people just don't believe the press anymore. Thanks!!
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That's really it.

Only stupid people trust the press these days for anything controversial. That includes the press of the right.
 
Lord of Planar said:
That's really it.

Only stupid people trust the press these days for anything controversial. That includes the press of the right.
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That's easy to say. And there's some truth in it, but people are instinctively seeking to find words they can trust, and the ultra-left press has become obsessively dishonest through cherry picking and hyperbolic headlines and misleading interpretations. And, btw, anybody can make your statement. What I would ask you is, how do you solve it?? Would you be willing to support legislation that would prohibit hyperbole and bias in the press corps, that everything that was said had to be supported by fact minus bias?? Thanks!!
 
Sweden said:
People who are dumb deserve sympathy for having been dealt a poor hand of genes - not their fault. Intelligence is heritable
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I think it probably has more to do with American culture than raw intelligence. For better or worse , the US has this powerful anti-authoritarian streak, whether that authority comes from experts, scientists, government officials, or anyone else. If someone of any authority tells them they should do something, that is a sure bet they will fight it tooth and nail (their own local preacher excluded though, of course). That’s one of the biggest reason for this powerful anti-intellectualism and ungovernability of such a large segment of this country, and why we have such dysfunctional government compared to other developed nations around the world.

Heck just have government make a recommendation that people should wipe their behinds after going #2, and half the country will stop doing it just out of spite, and accuse them of wanting to pursue a communist fascist Muslim utopia or something. Carl Tuckerson would probably be on every night telling everyone how that’s actually bad for you, and unnatural, and you should just leave the bacteria there do their own thing naturally, as God intended. You would never be able to go to a public place again because of the stench of proud patriots trying to prove how free they are.

Forget utopia man- just wipe your a$$.
 
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fireflygmf said:
But that's not what the report that you linked said?? That link is an open letter from a group performing a double blind RCT, and sites one study that claimed 50x dosage. They then go on to complain that uncontrolled usage is confounding the clarity of whether or not the stuff works and cite usage in Latin America. I happen to agree with the link you posted, but it doesn't actually say what you claim.
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To clarify, the scientist did not recommend a study be conducted at 50x the standard dose. They are conducting a study at 3x. Hence my "guinea" pig reference at 50x. The article was very clear that 50x was implausible. I did not make myself clear.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I'm sorry you don't get my point. There was a general implication in this thread that Ivermectin was only an animal medicine and only a dewormer. Imam supply more facts that others have ignored. I am not advocating it's usage.

I agree the people self dosing with the livestock grade medicine are nutzzz.

I don't advocate this, but if a person chooses to try such a medicine, he can find a doctor the will prescribe it, as it is an FDA approved medicine.

I'm just trying to keep your side from going off the deep end, with facts.
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Your clarification is still unclear and your previous statement remains as obvious as before.

You asked "was it FDA approved yet?", as if the reader is supposed to go find out themselves. Well, it was FDA approved for emergency use because COVID was and is an emergency. It may not yet have been fully approved by the FDA at the time the poster was vaxxed, but you didn't bother with that distinction. Then you said it was NOT FDA approved, not distinction. Again, it WAS FDA approved for emergency use.

Ivermectin is FDA approved but only for certain uses and not for anything whatsoever to do with COVID or any viral infection of any kind. Saying "Ivermectin is at least FDA approved already." is entirely misleading. Again, no distinction which, if being forthright, is owed the reader.

In this most recent reply of yours, choosing to try such a medicine should only be for an ailment so prescribed. Not just anything. Another distinction. You now say your just "trying to keep your side from going off the deep end, with facts." It is you whom is the one going off the deep end by omitting pertinent facts, salient to the debate, to do with both Ivermectin and vaccine. This clarifying post of yours only serves to substantiate your disingenuity. See you on another thread.
 
bluesmoke said:
Your clarification is still unclear and your previous statement remains as obvious as before.

You asked "was it FDA approved yet?", as if the reader is supposed to go find out themselves. Well, it was FDA approved for emergency use because COVID was and is an emergency. It may not yet have been fully approved by the FDA at the time the poster was vaxxed, but you didn't bother with that distinction. Then you said it was NOT FDA approved, not distinction. Again, it WAS FDA approved for emergency use.

Ivermectin is FDA approved but only for certain uses and not for anything whatsoever to do with COVID or any viral infection of any kind. Saying "Ivermectin is at least FDA approved already." is entirely misleading. Again, no distinction which, if being forthright, is owed the reader.

In this most recent reply of yours, choosing to try such a medicine should only be for an ailment so prescribed. Not just anything. Another distinction. You now say your just "trying to keep your side from going off the deep end, with facts." It is you whom is the one going off the deep end by omitting pertinent facts, salient to the debate, to do with both Ivermectin and vaccine. This clarifying post of yours only serves to substantiate your disingenuity. See you on another thread.
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I made mt point. I'll add that we already know the side effects of Ivermectin. We are still collecting data on the covid vaccines.

After these months, I'm still not the same after getting my covid vaccination. I most certainly will not be part of any more of their experiments.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I made mt point. I'll add that we already know the side effects of Ivermectin. We are still collecting data on the covid vaccines.

After these months, I'm still not the same after getting my covid vaccination. I most certainly will not be part of any more of their experiments.
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What did you physician say?
 
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