I've noticed something has changed about the abortion debate on DP

[Arlette]

Do you value yours?

Course. But during the worst of the pandemic no conholes gave a shit

 

[reinaert]

The definition of "life" is irrelevant. The question is when does that "life" become a person with due rights? A cell is a "life." But most probably do not equate a cell with an actual person. THat would be like equating a bacterium with a person. After all, it's a "life," right? And who's "pro-abortion" exactly?

When do fully human kidneys, mastocytomas, kneecaps and lipomas get their human rights, I wonder?

 

[humbolt]

Prove your claim. Cite (with link) any professional medical/scientific journal and/or law that officially classifies human embryos as “human life”.

No. I don't need to. You need to show that a developing human embryo is something other than human life.

 

[reinaert]

No. I don't need to. You need to show that a developing human embryo is something other than human life.

Tumors are definitionally 'human life'.

 

[Gordy327]

When do fully human kidneys, mastocytomas, kneecaps and lipomas get their human rights, I wonder?

Good question. When organs are removed for transplantation, are the organs "persons?" "Life?" Do they get rights?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Privacy per se isn't mentioned in the Constitution, but I think it's implied. Something about "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, against unreasonable searches and seizures..."

And nowhere mentioned is abortion.

 

[Phys251]

No. I don't need to. You need to show that a developing human embryo is something other than human life.

Absolutely irrelevant.

Even if the fetus were a baby, the viability argument is more important. Same reason why you can't be forced to donate bone marrow to save someone else's life.

 

[SammyCp]

I haven't the slightest idea what you're trying to say.

I'll keep it simple then : "very often abortion is all a woman can do to survive".
And in a lot of cases they don't have another way out.
And lastly: people thinking abortion is "convenient" sure as hell have never gone trough it.

I really can't make it more simple for you, But I kinda start to understand why in your op you think those that used to discuss things with pro-lifers stopped discussing things.
To make this also clear : "It's not them, it's you".

Clear ?

 

[Arlette]

Tumors are definitionally 'human life'.

They showed their face during the pandemic. It was all no big deal, just low fatality rate and most had it coming anyway by being old and sick anyways. So much for human life

 

[Gordy327]

Absolutely irrelevant.

Even if the fetus were a baby, the viability argument is more important. Same reason why you can't be forced to donate bone marrow to save someone else's life.

If one cannot be compelled to donate themselves to benefit another (such as your bone marrow example), why should a pregnant woman be required to donate herself to gestate something she may not want? Most people cannot seem to rationally discuss abortion without getting emotional in some way.

 

[Arlette]

Good question. When organs are removed for transplantation, are the organs "persons?" "Life?" Do they get rights?

This is getting ridiculous. It's all about their insecurities about their manhood.

 

[iguanaman]

Points three and four are impossible. States cannot forbid inter-state travel, and Texas has no standing to prosecute anyone for actions taken outside of its jurisdiction.

Except the current law does not make exceptions for out of State abortions and anyone having or aiding any abortion can be sued for $10,000 as soon as they return to Texas.

 

[humbolt]

The definition of "life" is irrelevant. The question is when does that "life" become a person with due rights? A cell is a "life." But most probably do not equate a cell with an actual person. THat would be like equating a bacterium with a person. After all, it's a "life," right? And who's "pro-abortion" exactly?

The definition of human life is relevant to us as a species on this planet unless you can point out some other place where it exists. We aren't talking about other life forms here. We're talking about human life.

I once remodeled a Planned Parenthood clinic. Some working there were absolutely pro-abortion. Maybe you should visit one sometime.

 

[Rawley]

If one cannot be compelled to donate themselves to benefit another (such as your bone marrow example), why should a pregnant woman be required to donate herself to gestate something she may not want? Most people cannot seem to rationally discuss abortion without getting emotional in some way.

Perhaps becasue most people become emotional when discussing ending a life.

 

[multivita-man]

And nowhere mentioned is abortion.

Nor is taking a shit in private mentioned in the Constitution. Are you saying it has to be?

 

[Josie]

Do you support a robust social safety net and fully paid for medical coverage for all? More money to pay for feeding, clothing, housing, teaching, and caring for those children and their mothers?

I fully support insurance companies who have birth control coverage. I also personally support several organizations (as well as giving money directly to individuals and families) who need assistance.

 

[minnie616]

No, I don’t think someone can be forced to donate an organ. Such donations are a form of bodily injury, i.e. harm, and we’re back to the principle of self-defense. A pregnancy not threatening the mother’s health does not present the same harm.

1 in 10 pregnancies may be life threatening to the woman.

It is the woman whose health and very life in many cases who as risk when a pregnacy a turn for the worse.

10 percent of pregnancies can put the woman’s life at risk.
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Something major does go wrong with a pregnancy far too often that can be life threatening to the pregnant woman.

Most of time doctors cannot predict it and many times it too late to be proactive and abort a pregnancy.

Abortions where the woman’s life or irreparable damage to a major bodily function ( such as stroke, heart attacks, liver or kidney failure ) past viability have to prearranged and they very costly since there are only 3 clinics in the United States and usually involve travel expenses besides the time off work.

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I personally know my life was on the line and my daughters life was on the line due to pregnancy complications.

It is important that the woman be good health when she becomes pregnant, even then things can still go terribly wrong in the blink of an eye.

Each pregnancy a woman risks a complication. She should have the right to make the decision that having a little one is worth the risk to her. Most women wish to continue a pregnancy. If they feel now is not the time they often they make a choice to risk a pregnancy at a later time in their life.

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Life threatening complications aren't rare up to 8 percent of all pregnancies affected by pre- eclampsia or one of it's variants including HELLP syndrome.

We never know when a pregnancy might take a turn and become life threatening to someone we love.

Another 1.5 to 2.5 percent of pregnancies are ectopic pregnancies which are also life threatening.

So more than 1 out 10 pregnancies can be life threatening just from 2 of the many types of life threatening complications.... eclampsia variants and ectopic pregnancies.

 

[Josie]

To survive? If you stick each of them in an empty room for five minutes, which ones will still be alive after five minutes?

Depends. Does the severely mentally disabled man want to kill himself? Is the physically disabled woman falling out of her chair unable to help herself break her fall? Is the infant choking on something he just put in his mouth?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Nor is taking a shit in private mentioned in the Constitution. Are you saying it has to be?

Poor attempt at a strawman.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Depends. Does the severely mentally disabled man want to kill himself? Is the physically disabled woman falling out of her chair unable to help herself break her fall? Is the infant choking on something he just put in his mouth?

The fact that you have to add these caveats pretty much spells it out.

 

[humbolt]

Tumors are definitionally 'human life'.

It's disrespectful to refer to Biden in such terms. He's more like a migraine.

 

[Josie]

Wait, you DO want exceptions for rape and incest? Why are the ZEF’s or “humans” not deserving of protection?

I’ve answered yours. It’s your turn to answer mine.

 

[Josie]

You really have to learn to ask, don't you? The theocratic imperative is...off-putting, you know.

Explain how a ZEF isn’t a human.

 

[CaughtInThe]

No, I think for that you'd need to fast forward into the fevered imaginings of low information progressives.

 

[Josie]

The fact that you have to add these caveats pretty much spells it out.

That all of these individuals need another human to survive, I agree.