I've noticed something has changed about the abortion debate on DP

[CaughtInThe]

Roe zealots

 

[NatMorton]

NO I haven't. I have seen the tapes...in some cases the live hearings. Care to try again?

Yes, you’ve been lied to but not by those justices.

Not one of them said precedent is set in stone nor did any of them commit to preserving Roe.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Roe zealots

 

[ClaraD]

Roe is being overturned. Those of us making those arguments are wining.

we actually do not know that either.

 

[justoneman]

A fetus is not a baby. Personally I believe at viability which doctors say is at about 22 weeks though a couple have survived at 21 weeks with extraordinary medical intervention.

So why say 22 instead of 20 weeks? Would not a 20 week limit set by law, reflect your morality?

 

[NatMorton]

And when you get around to actually doing that, let us know.

Nice try, but the administration’s position — among others — is that men can get pregnant, so the leadership on your side now has to reconcile this rather amusing contradiction.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Roe zealots

 

[NatMorton]

we actually do not know that either.

That is true, we cannot predict the future with certainty. But do you think it likely Roe will be overturned?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Roe zealots

 

[jnug]

But will you ever admit your “they’re wrong because they’re evil” style of rhetoric will, in the long run, be counter productive?

Oh I can adopt the "geez lets think about that a little longer" perspective of the LEFT. That has really worked out for them hasn't it. Sorry...not going to join them in that campaign. It has already proven to FAIL. Meanwhile the ghoulish Radical Right spits nonsense in sound bite size increments and rabble rouses a minority of the country that is simply motivated by emotion.

The result is 5 SC justices signing up to the most ludicrous, horrendous scariest document since Mein Kampf. Hopefully giant swaths of that 1st draft will be ABORTED!

 

[CaughtInThe]

Roe zealots

 

[ClaraD]

The most common “pro-choice” assertion is that the “right to privacy” makes it unconstitutional for states to ban or restrict “too much” the ability for pregnant ‘persons’ to have an abortion.

My only question is what, exactly, this (unwritten) “right to privacy” is assumed to say or apply to? I have tried on numerous occasions to find out, yet have never been given more than references to the “right of privacy” as being included in two SCOTUS decisions (Griswold v. Connecticut and Roe v. Wade).

if it is overturned....you will have zero say in whether your child has a medical procedure or not. The doctor must preserve their life, regardless of what you think. So, that means even if they are 'dead' they can be forcibly kept alive by mechanical means. It also means the state can decide to shut those machines off, even if you don't want them to. You have zero say. You also have zero autonomy now...so, yeah they can force you to get that shot.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Roe zealots

 

[CaughtInThe]

if it is overturned....you will have zero say in whether your child has a medical procedure or not. The doctor must preserve their life, regardless of what you think. So, that means even if they are 'dead' they can be forcibly kept alive by mechanical means. It also means the state can decide to shut those machines off, even if you don't want them to. You have zero say. You also have zero autonomy now...so, yeah they can force you to get that shot.

one woman tweeted that in her ultrasound it showed that there was no brain. so she aborted.

under "christian" "small government" "conservatives" she would have to give birth to a baby with no brain.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Roe zealots

 

[NatMorton]

Oh I can adopt the "geez lets think about that a little longer" perspective of the LEFT. That has really worked out for them hasn't it. Sorry...not going to join them in that campaign. It has already proven to FAIL. Meanwhile the ghoulish Radical Right spits nonsense in sound bite size increments and rabble rouses a minority of the country that is simply motivated by emotion.

The result is 5 SC justices signing up to the most ludicrous, horrendous scariest document since Mein Kampf.

Love it. You think you’re right because the tens of millions of people who have a different perspective on when life begins than you are evil … and they’re also the ones swayed by emotion.

You can’t make this stuff up.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Roe zealots

 

[jnug]

Love it. You think you’re right because the tens of millions of people who have a different perspective on when life begins than you are evil … and they’re also the ones swayed by emotion.

You can’t make this stuff up.

I am not making it up. Viable is viable. Nobody has proven viability inside of 21 weeks and that has only been achieved once.

Personally, I can find my way to 15 weeks as a limit for legal Abortion but in fact there is no legal framework for 15 weeks. So the 15 weeks crowd might have an ally in me if they had an actual argument.

Suck it up buttercup.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Roe zealots

 

[NatMorton]

I am not making it up. Viable is viable. Nobody has proven viability inside of 21 weeks.

Suck it up buttercup.

They don’t need to prove viability before 21 weeks if they don’t’ see viability as a necessary criterion for a human being in possession of basic human rights.

You really need to open your mind some this topic — and many others, frankly — or you’ll continue to be confused.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I am not making it up. Viable is viable. Nobody has proven viability inside of 21 weeks and that has only been proven once.

Suck it up buttercup.

some republicans...

COVID deaths, suck it up snowflake!!
Russian slaughter of babies/kids/teens/adults, death happens every day!!
Guns, keep your ****ing hands off my guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[CaughtInThe]

Roe zealots

 

[jnug]

They don’t need to prove viability before 21 weeks if they don’t’ see viability as a necessary criterion for a human being in possession of basic human rights.

You really need to open your mind some this topic — and many others, frankly — or you’ll continue to be confused.

You do not have a single argument for determining that a fetus or an embryo is a human being or even an unborn infant before viability. Nobody does. Before you go there, the ability to detect a heartbeat at 6 weeks does not amount to anything in such a discussion.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Roe zealots

 

[Jredbaron96]

Nice try, but the administration’s position — among others — is that men can get pregnant, so the leadership on your side now has to reconcile this rather amusing contradiction.

There's no contradiction.