vauge said:My question to you - Everytime someone disagrees with you, do you feel it quality discussion/debate to call them twits or arrogant?
Just wondering...
So, are you suggesting mandatory service starting at 14-15 or are you saying mandatory service at 18?Strangelove said:There are many other beneficial reasons for compulsory service for teenagers of high school age:
shuamort said:So, are you suggesting mandatory service starting at 14-15 or are you saying mandatory service at 18?
vauge said:I think that teenagers have just as much of an opinion as anyone else. Regardless of actual education. Opinions are not "earned", but respect can be attained from them.
Sorry, it was vague. I just wanted to make sure I understood your viewpoint.Strangelove said:come on.
Personal question, well, I can't. Obviously. In four years (and a week) I'll be 36 so I'll be out of the requirements age anyway.Strangelove said:If your country called you, to fight.....would you go?
I would, and I have a lot to lose.
Strangelove said:Teenagers have the right to their opinions.
They do not have the right to have their opinions taken seriously.
vauge said:For that matter, no one has the "right" to be taken seriously. That has to be earned. Does it not? Or does only age determine legitimacy?
Strangelove said:What is the difference between intelligence and wisdom?
Are you suggesting that, because of your transformation to conservatism, you have wisdom? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, you have no right to force it on anyone. Many actually do know what they're talking about. I'm a teen, I go to high school, granted I see idiots around every corner, but there are also many smart ones. And if a teen is politically active, they are more likely to be intelligent, regardless of whether you agree with their position or not. Frankly, your opinions about anything entail no more wisdom than anyone else's opinions.Strangelove said:no, not 'only' age.
A questionwell, two)
What is the difference between intelligence and wisdom?
Do you believe a 17 year old has wisdom?
a 17 year old lives at home, has someone else paying the bills, has not had to fight for anything (certainly not in this spoiled country)....and makes complaining an art form.
( a little hyperbole there)
....really, this should be obvious.
Ah, vauge -- I'll forgive you for that littlethere are quite a few teenagers here as there are the old folks (ahem Squawker ) that may have issue with your position.
Not all who oppose the war are 'pansys' as you claim. Perhaps you should stop making this generalization.Squawker said:Ah, vauge -- I'll forgive you for that little
I don't want some pansy, asshole who hates the military and our country covering my back. No draft, ever again.
Perhaps you don't know what you are talking about.Not all who oppose the war are 'pansys' as you claim. Perhaps you should stop making this generalization.
Squawker said:Perhaps you don't know what you are talking about.
Did I say that? This is what I said.Well perhaps you don't know what you are talking about. You can't say all who oppose the war are pansies,
Some, is not all, if you want to pick on words. When someones life is on the line, I don't want a person who is not committed to the mission involved, period. What I think of the coward isn't relevant.I don't want some pansy, asshole who hates the military and our country covering my back. No draft, ever again.
Why is one automatically, in your eyes, a coward if one opposes war? How war hungry are you, Squawk? To me, a protestor fighting for what he believes in is just as brave as any soldier fighting for what he believes in. And here I was thinking that the older you get, the more wise you become. This seems to not always be the case...Squawker said:Did I say that? This is what I said. Some, is not all, if you want to pick on words. When someones life is on the line, I don't want a person who is not committed to the mission involved, period. What I think of the coward isn't relevant.
Freedom is not for everyone! Many don't know the principle and others are preventing Freedom from others for their own purposes.Strangelove said:I was just debating with a teenage twit on the 'come in and say hi' thread. (nameless), and it occurred to me that one can only know suffering when one suffers. This kid (like so many pampered lilberals) are quite willing to criticize the actions of people in uniform from 7000 miles away, far from the reality of Syrian (and other) terrorists
cutting heads off innocent people, flying bullets, the smell of blood and **** when your buddy's torso gets blown apart by a bomb planted by an Arab coward.
There are many other beneficial reasons for compulsory service for teenagers of high school age:
-Discipline
-Accountability
-Responsibility
-Teamwork
-Family (for those kids from broken or abusive homes)
-National identity (nobody is special at BCT--nobody is white brown or black---everyone is GREEN)
I'm really sick of staple-faced punks on skateboards running around with 'no blood for oil' posters when they don't know what they're talking about .
Quite frankly, I'm tired of seeing the good guys die. Throw a few hippes in uniform and let them get killed for a change.
Twisted logic twists issues.vauge said:Anomoly, these are two completely different issues - yet somehow you brought them together. You somehow twisted that...
Hoot said:As long as there are NO exceptions to the rules...this means everyone...The rich, the poor, the invalid, and Senators and Congressmen sons and daughters....otherwise, it's just another attack on the less 'well-to-do.'
Wait, by NO EXCEPTIONS. Are you including the gays and lesbians that you don't believe should serve over in the other thread or not?Strangelove said:Agreed. NO EXCEPTIONS.
My point is only that by serving one's country should one criticize it.
Of course, we have the right to criticize. I'm speaking about moral value only.
Strangelove said:However, I am opposed to gay marriage,gays in the military, adoption, and their inclusion as Boy Scout leaders.
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