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It's the same old recycled stuff, different decade.......let's stop repeating history

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Everytime I hear the Constitution being misused during debate, I can't help but think about the "American Liberty League" and it's propaganda that was being used to spread misinformation amoung the masses in the 1930s after FDR got elected as president. The so called "liberty" league was a pro-business think-tank and ultra-right wing lobby group run by multi-millionaires of that time who had plenty of power and influence. Later in the 1940s, Fred Koch was one of the first members of the the John Birch Society. Members of this wealthy elite group would spread their own special brand of propaganda to the masses. We currently see many of these same influences in today's politics through well funded think tanks and groups being funded secretly by ultra billionaires. Enough is enough! You know what they say about history. Those who don't know it are doomed to repeat it.

This snip found in the Executive Intelligence Review: EIR Volume 33, Number 27, July 7, 2006

The Rise of Fascism in United States Politics
What is fascism? As one succinct definition has it: "Fascism is the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinist, and most imperialist elements of finance capital."[1]

What are the main features of fascism? They include: the rise of a demagogic leader sponsored by a plutocratic oligarchy, the curtailment of civil liberties, the elimination of a free press, the emasculation of labor and the labor movement, and the destruction of intellectual and political opposition.[2]

How did this come about? Let's take a look at the 1930s in the United States, the political situation then, which involved the rise of an American form of fascism, unfortunately.

Prof. Gaetano Salvemini, a famous anti-Fascist intellectual and member of the Italian Socialist Party, warned of a "new brand of fascism" in the United States. While teaching in exile at Harvard, during the 1930s, he pointed to what he called "fascism of corporate business enterprise in this country."

Other voices in the 1930s, confronting the fascist challenge, were heard from members of President Roosevelt's own Cabinet.

Harold Ickes (1874-1952), a Progressive Republican who served in Franklin Roosevelt's Cabinet during the New Deal, forcefully condemned fascism in a speech to the American Civil Liberties Union on Dec. 8, 1937.[3] He pointed to "the ability and willingness to turn the concentrated wealth of America against the welfare of America." He said,

Let no one sleepily believe that our democratic form of government is necessarily secure for all time to come. We have seen dictatorships in other lands reach out and destroy constitutional democracies, states combine not for protection but for aggression. We have discovered that Fascism has not been quarantined, but that it is capable of leaping wide oceans.

Well, what happened back in the 1930s? I would just interject, parenthetically, that this is a time when our current President's grandfather was quite active on Wall Street—that family was quite active on Wall Street.

As I said at the outset, in today's political situation in the United States we are, in effect, confronting the same forces that attempted to impose fascism in the United States during the 1930s. Back then, beginning in 1933, a cabal of Wall Street financiers and industrialists, who were enthusiastic supporters of International Fascism in Italy and Germany, and were well introduced to the higher circles of Europe, supported various movements of international Fascism in Germany, France, Italy, and England. Many of the American businessmen involved, were intimately involved in business arrangements with these very European financial and industrial circles. This cabal plotted a coup d'état against President Franklin Roosevelt and our Constitution. Let me recall the words of Ambassador William E. Dodd, Franklin Roosevelt's Ambassador to Germany. While here in our embassy, he watched American businessmen, one after the other, come to Germany in support of the Hitler regime. In 1937, he referred to the American section of the transnational fascist oligarchy of the era as follows:

A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there.

Fortunately, the 1933-34 coup plot was foiled by President Roosevelt. But after Roosevelt's death, the cabal was able to continue its program for a fascist and imperial America during the Truman Administration, through the Cold War era, and down to today's White House and Congress.

Simply put, upon Franklin Roosevelt's election in 1932, the Wall Street cabal took a decision to use strategies and methods that had been used by Fascist circles in Europe, to gain influence and political power. The Wall Street cabal was well introduced into the higher circles in Europe that supported the various movements of International Fascism, and the Nazi movement, in Germany, France, Italy, and England, because many of the American businessmen involved in the Wall Street cabal were intimately involved in business arrangements with these European financial and industrial circles.[4]

The strategies and methods of which I am speaking include the formation of action committees and mass movements, including violent organizations, which involved political as well as religious appeals to the middle and working classes. The elite circles involved in the Wall Street cabal established their own higher-level organizations to coordinate their own activities and the activities of the mass organizations which they caused to come into being.
 

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Re: It's the same old recycled stuff, different decade.......let's stop repeating his

What? No mention of Al Gore? ;)
 

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Re: It's the same old recycled stuff, different decade.......let's stop repeating his

…What are the main features of fascism? They include: the rise of a demagogic leader sponsored by a plutocratic oligarchy, the curtailment of civil liberties, the elimination of a free press, the emasculation of labor and the labor movement, and the destruction of intellectual and political opposition.[2]…

(edited for brevity)

Let’s see:

“a demagogic leader sponsored by a plutocratic oligarchy”
The current President…demagogue
President Obama: A Climate Demagogue
Forecast and summer reading: Obama a demagogue, Israel rising, Meredith Whitney was right, King George - The Hill's Pundits Blog
…check

‘sponsored by a plutocratic oligarchy’…
Obama Meets With Blankfein, Dimon and Moynihan Today - Bloomberg
Obama inauguration sponsors spent millions influencing government | The Center for Public Integrity
…check

‘the curtailment of civil liberties’…
Obama curtails civil liberties, says rights lawyer — Brown Daily Herald
Obama directive removes harshest provisions of the NDAA » peoplesworld
…check

‘the elimination of a free press’…
Shredding the Constitution: Obama’s attack on the media
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/22/opinion/another-chilling-leak-investigation.html?_r=0
…check

‘the emasculation of labor and the labor movement’…
Some unions protest Obamacare
Wendy N. Powell: Union Support Waning for the Affordable Care Act: Look for the Union Label on Obamacare? Perhaps Not
…check

‘the destruction of intellectual and political opposition’…
Barack Obama attacks political gridlock in speeches on economy | Toronto Star
President Obama attacks the GOP on the debt ceiling - The Week
…check


…fascism indeed!

good thread...;)
 

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I'm not sure if we had any president's placed in office in the past century without sponsorship by a plutocratic oligarchy. Just competing factions. If you look at certain policies being pushed around the world, for instance education, you will see the same kind of policy being thrown down people's throat. The model does support profit for business though.
 

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I'm not sure if we had any president's placed in office in the past century without sponsorship by a plutocratic oligarchy. Just competing factions. If you look at certain policies being pushed around the world, for instance education, you will see the same kind of policy being thrown down people's throat. The model does support profit for business though.

So, what you are saying is that you are a market socialist as opposed to a Marxist socialist--correct?
 

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So, what you are saying is that you are a market socialist as opposed to a Marxist socialist--correct?


No. What I'm saying is the main intent today is to increase the power and influence of international finance and big business in the internal politics of the United States, first by attacking state institutions and their proper role of oversight and regulation and secondly by coercing labor.
 

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No. What I'm saying is the main intent today is to increase the power and influence of international finance and big business in the internal politics of the United States, first by attacking state institutions and their proper role of oversight and regulation and secondly by coercing labor.

and your alternative is Marxism or market socialism?
 

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and your alternative is Marxism or market socialism?

It doesn't matter what my alternative is because there are more than one. The point of the thread is US policies are beholden to the elite who control them and it will become easier with changes made to current election laws and endless money allowed which influences policies.
 

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Everytime I hear the Constitution being misused during debate, I can't help but think about the "American Liberty League" and it's propaganda that was being used to spread misinformation amoung the masses in the 1930s after FDR got elected as president. The so called "liberty" league was a pro-business think-tank and ultra-right wing lobby group run by multi-millionaires of that time who had plenty of power and influence. Later in the 1940s, Fred Koch was one of the first members of the the John Birch Society. Members of this wealthy elite group would spread their own special brand of propaganda to the masses. We currently see many of these same influences in today's politics through well funded think tanks and groups being funded secretly by ultra billionaires. Enough is enough! You know what they say about history. Those who don't know it are doomed to repeat it.

This snip found in the Executive Intelligence Review: EIR Volume 33, Number 27, July 7, 2006

The Rise of Fascism in United States Politics
What is fascism? As one succinct definition has it: "Fascism is the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinist, and most imperialist elements of finance capital."[1]

What are the main features of fascism? They include: the rise of a demagogic leader sponsored by a plutocratic oligarchy, the curtailment of civil liberties, the elimination of a free press, the emasculation of labor and the labor movement, and the destruction of intellectual and political opposition.[2]

How did this come about? Let's take a look at the 1930s in the United States, the political situation then, which involved the rise of an American form of fascism, unfortunately.

Prof. Gaetano Salvemini, a famous anti-Fascist intellectual and member of the Italian Socialist Party, warned of a "new brand of fascism" in the United States. While teaching in exile at Harvard, during the 1930s, he pointed to what he called "fascism of corporate business enterprise in this country."

Other voices in the 1930s, confronting the fascist challenge, were heard from members of President Roosevelt's own Cabinet.

Harold Ickes (1874-1952), a Progressive Republican who served in Franklin Roosevelt's Cabinet during the New Deal, forcefully condemned fascism in a speech to the American Civil Liberties Union on Dec. 8, 1937.[3] He pointed to "the ability and willingness to turn the concentrated wealth of America against the welfare of America." He said,

Let no one sleepily believe that our democratic form of government is necessarily secure for all time to come. We have seen dictatorships in other lands reach out and destroy constitutional democracies, states combine not for protection but for aggression. We have discovered that Fascism has not been quarantined, but that it is capable of leaping wide oceans.

Well, what happened back in the 1930s? I would just interject, parenthetically, that this is a time when our current President's grandfather was quite active on Wall Street—that family was quite active on Wall Street.

As I said at the outset, in today's political situation in the United States we are, in effect, confronting the same forces that attempted to impose fascism in the United States during the 1930s. Back then, beginning in 1933, a cabal of Wall Street financiers and industrialists, who were enthusiastic supporters of International Fascism in Italy and Germany, and were well introduced to the higher circles of Europe, supported various movements of international Fascism in Germany, France, Italy, and England. Many of the American businessmen involved, were intimately involved in business arrangements with these very European financial and industrial circles. This cabal plotted a coup d'état against President Franklin Roosevelt and our Constitution. Let me recall the words of Ambassador William E. Dodd, Franklin Roosevelt's Ambassador to Germany. While here in our embassy, he watched American businessmen, one after the other, come to Germany in support of the Hitler regime. In 1937, he referred to the American section of the transnational fascist oligarchy of the era as follows:

A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there.

Fortunately, the 1933-34 coup plot was foiled by President Roosevelt. But after Roosevelt's death, the cabal was able to continue its program for a fascist and imperial America during the Truman Administration, through the Cold War era, and down to today's White House and Congress.

Simply put, upon Franklin Roosevelt's election in 1932, the Wall Street cabal took a decision to use strategies and methods that had been used by Fascist circles in Europe, to gain influence and political power. The Wall Street cabal was well introduced into the higher circles in Europe that supported the various movements of International Fascism, and the Nazi movement, in Germany, France, Italy, and England, because many of the American businessmen involved in the Wall Street cabal were intimately involved in business arrangements with these European financial and industrial circles.[4]

The strategies and methods of which I am speaking include the formation of action committees and mass movements, including violent organizations, which involved political as well as religious appeals to the middle and working classes. The elite circles involved in the Wall Street cabal established their own higher-level organizations to coordinate their own activities and the activities of the mass organizations which they caused to come into being.

wow whoever came up with that definition of fascism must have made it up solely to fit their agenda.

fascism is generall anti capitalist,anti materialist,pro nationalist,etc.what your describing is corporate capitalism aka corporatism,in which corrupt government aids in eliminating competition through taxes and regulations aimed entirely at destroying small and medium business while expempting large corporations,in exchange for campaign funds or other forms of power/money.corporate capitalism is the baby brother of fascism,yet they are miles apart.


fascism is actually closer to soviet style communism than anything america has ever faced.and under fascism generally the state controls who can run a business,who can own capital etc through tight run business/govt ties,not through corrupt govt,but in fascism those ties are part of govt.
 

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wow whoever came up with that definition of fascism must have made it up solely to fit their agenda.

fascism is generall anti capitalist,anti materialist,pro nationalist,etc.what your describing is corporate capitalism aka corporatism,in which corrupt government aids in eliminating competition through taxes and regulations aimed entirely at destroying small and medium business while expempting large corporations,in exchange for campaign funds or other forms of power/money.corporate capitalism is the baby brother of fascism,yet they are miles apart.


fascism is actually closer to soviet style communism than anything america has ever faced.and under fascism generally the state controls who can run a business,who can own capital etc through tight run business/govt ties,not through corrupt govt,but in fascism those ties are part of govt.

Sorry, you have it wrong. Look up the definition in the Concise Encyclopedia of Economics. It is the opposite of what you are saying. It is when government is run by individuals with power. It also abolishes competition.
 

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Sorry, you have it wrong. Look up the definition in the Concise Encyclopedia of Economics. It is the opposite of what you are saying. It is when government is run by individuals with power. It also abolishes competition.

well the the consise ecyclopedia of economics is presenting views opposite of practically every other dictionary and encyclopedia.

government run by corporations is corporate capitalism,while in fascism the govt controls corporations,is both anti capitalist and anti socialist,and opposes both liberal and conservative views,while holding a strong beleif in nationalism
 

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Everytime I hear the Constitution being misused during debate, I can't help but think about the "American Liberty League" and it's propaganda that was being used to spread misinformation amoung the masses in the 1930s after FDR got elected as president. The so called "liberty" league was a pro-business think-tank and ultra-right wing lobby group run by multi-millionaires of that time who had plenty of power and influence. Later in the 1940s, Fred Koch was one of the first members of the the John Birch Society. Members of this wealthy elite group would spread their own special brand of propaganda to the masses. We currently see many of these same influences in today's politics through well funded think tanks and groups being funded secretly by ultra billionaires. Enough is enough! You know what they say about history. Those who don't know it are doomed to repeat it.

This snip found in the Executive Intelligence Review: EIR Volume 33, Number 27, July 7, 2006

The Rise of Fascism in United States Politics
What is fascism? As one succinct definition has it: "Fascism is the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinist, and most imperialist elements of finance capital."[1]

What are the main features of fascism? They include: the rise of a demagogic leader sponsored by a plutocratic oligarchy, the curtailment of civil liberties, the elimination of a free press, the emasculation of labor and the labor movement, and the destruction of intellectual and political opposition.[2]

How did this come about? Let's take a look at the 1930s in the United States, the political situation then, which involved the rise of an American form of fascism, unfortunately.

Prof. Gaetano Salvemini, a famous anti-Fascist intellectual and member of the Italian Socialist Party, warned of a "new brand of fascism" in the United States. While teaching in exile at Harvard, during the 1930s, he pointed to what he called "fascism of corporate business enterprise in this country."

Other voices in the 1930s, confronting the fascist challenge, were heard from members of President Roosevelt's own Cabinet.

Harold Ickes (1874-1952), a Progressive Republican who served in Franklin Roosevelt's Cabinet during the New Deal, forcefully condemned fascism in a speech to the American Civil Liberties Union on Dec. 8, 1937.[3] He pointed to "the ability and willingness to turn the concentrated wealth of America against the welfare of America." He said,

Let no one sleepily believe that our democratic form of government is necessarily secure for all time to come. We have seen dictatorships in other lands reach out and destroy constitutional democracies, states combine not for protection but for aggression. We have discovered that Fascism has not been quarantined, but that it is capable of leaping wide oceans.

Well, what happened back in the 1930s? I would just interject, parenthetically, that this is a time when our current President's grandfather was quite active on Wall Street—that family was quite active on Wall Street.

As I said at the outset, in today's political situation in the United States we are, in effect, confronting the same forces that attempted to impose fascism in the United States during the 1930s. Back then, beginning in 1933, a cabal of Wall Street financiers and industrialists, who were enthusiastic supporters of International Fascism in Italy and Germany, and were well introduced to the higher circles of Europe, supported various movements of international Fascism in Germany, France, Italy, and England. Many of the American businessmen involved, were intimately involved in business arrangements with these very European financial and industrial circles. This cabal plotted a coup d'état against President Franklin Roosevelt and our Constitution. Let me recall the words of Ambassador William E. Dodd, Franklin Roosevelt's Ambassador to Germany. While here in our embassy, he watched American businessmen, one after the other, come to Germany in support of the Hitler regime. In 1937, he referred to the American section of the transnational fascist oligarchy of the era as follows:

A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there.

Fortunately, the 1933-34 coup plot was foiled by President Roosevelt. But after Roosevelt's death, the cabal was able to continue its program for a fascist and imperial America during the Truman Administration, through the Cold War era, and down to today's White House and Congress.

Simply put, upon Franklin Roosevelt's election in 1932, the Wall Street cabal took a decision to use strategies and methods that had been used by Fascist circles in Europe, to gain influence and political power. The Wall Street cabal was well introduced into the higher circles in Europe that supported the various movements of International Fascism, and the Nazi movement, in Germany, France, Italy, and England, because many of the American businessmen involved in the Wall Street cabal were intimately involved in business arrangements with these European financial and industrial circles.[4]

The strategies and methods of which I am speaking include the formation of action committees and mass movements, including violent organizations, which involved political as well as religious appeals to the middle and working classes. The elite circles involved in the Wall Street cabal established their own higher-level organizations to coordinate their own activities and the activities of the mass organizations which they caused to come into being.

Statists always hate opposition.
 

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well the the consise ecyclopedia of economics is presenting views opposite of practically every other dictionary and encyclopedia.

government run by corporations is corporate capitalism,while in fascism the govt controls corporations,is both anti capitalist and anti socialist,and opposes both liberal and conservative views,while holding a strong beleif in nationalism

Wrong! Where do you think the term "estato corporativo" (corporate state) was used?
 

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Statists always hate opposition.

A dictatorship by the government is just as bad as a dictatorship by corporate control. Dictatorships suck in general.
 

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Wrong! Where do you think the term "estato corporativo" (corporate state) was used?

i cant find a single site in english even mentionisn that word,assuming somewhat latin to english mumbo jumbo corporativo is corporation and eastato meaning estate,which means either land or governing body depending on whos definition is used.


reguardless the use of ones word originally has no meaning towards the argument,as fascism in itself is almost literally different than everything you described,and for decades has been used to try to paint conservative agenda as fascist,much and conservatives painted everything leftwing as socialist.

but once again in reality fascism is anti capitalist,anti socialist,anti liberal and conservative,pro state,and is usually a dictatorship.corporations dont run a fascist country,govt does,and the dictators control business and corporations formeans of nationalpower and loyalty,while in corporate capitalism,corporations bribe govt to allow rules that only favor certain corporations as ameans to eliminate competition,causing expansion from no competition eventually gaining enough power to severely influence all govt decisions.


the two are complete opposite yet similiar,though your original argument is roughly about as accurate as someone claiming raising taxes makes us a marxist socialist dictatorship,the logic isnt there,just emotional appeal to feeble minded.
 

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i cant find a single site in english even mentionisn that word,assuming somewhat latin to english mumbo jumbo corporativo is corporation and eastato meaning estate,which means either land or governing body depending on whos definition is used.


reguardless the use of ones word originally has no meaning towards the argument,as fascism in itself is almost literally different than everything you described,and for decades has been used to try to paint conservative agenda as fascist,much and conservatives painted everything leftwing as socialist.

but once again in reality fascism is anti capitalist,anti socialist,anti liberal and conservative,pro state,and is usually a dictatorship.corporations dont run a fascist country,govt does,and the dictators control business and corporations formeans of nationalpower and loyalty,while in corporate capitalism,corporations bribe govt to allow rules that only favor certain corporations as ameans to eliminate competition,causing expansion from no competition eventually gaining enough power to severely influence all govt decisions.


the two are complete opposite yet similiar,though your original argument is roughly about as accurate as someone claiming raising taxes makes us a marxist socialist dictatorship,the logic isnt there,just emotional appeal to feeble minded.



That's because it's Spanish and I interpreted for you in parenthesis (corporate state) and was used by Mussolini. Scholars who have studied fascism in the early part of the last century have noted things that were already mentioned by Dr.Clifford A. Kiracofe, Jr. who also worked as a former Senior Professional Staff Member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. I will quote part of his speech again, "As I said at the outset, in today's political situation in the United States we are, in effect, confronting the same forces that attempted to impose fascism in the United States during the 1930s. Back then, beginning in 1933, a cabal of Wall Street financiers and industrialists, who were enthusiastic supporters of International Fascism in Italy and Germany, and were well introduced to the higher circles of Europe, supported various movements of international Fascism in Germany, France, Italy, and England. Many of the American businessmen involved, were intimately involved in business arrangements with these very European financial and industrial circles. This cabal plotted a coup d'état against President Franklin Roosevelt and our Constitution. Let me recall the words of Ambassador William E. Dodd, Franklin Roosevelt's Ambassador to Germany. While here in our embassy, he watched American businessmen, one after the other, come to Germany in support of the Hitler regime. In 1937, he referred to the American section of the transnational fascist oligarchy of the era as follows:

A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there."

In the book, Under the Axe of Fascism, by Gaetano Salvemini and is also available to read in several different education journals online, gives discussion about Mussolini's support of Italian corporation through militarization and tariffs which were protective in nature. Mussolini helped mostly big business while workers sacrificed supposely for the state which was part of the propaganda. He talks of private and social work and is a big reason why many big buisness elite in the US came together to form their own group called the American Liberty League. More on this group Wall Street's Fascist Plot to Seize the White House This group formed in response FDR's election and their disdain for his policies that did not always give them total control over government policy. I think every person should be aware of such history so when scholars talk about American style Fascism, we don't repeat old wishes from large powerful business influence. The feeble minded are those who know nothing of history and will be doomed to repeat it.
 

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For those who don't like to read-- Video from the History Channel In Search of : The Plot To Overthrow FDR DVD | Shows | History

Uncover the bizarre, Depression-era plot to replace the U.S. Government with a fascist state.


When Franklin Delano Roosevelt won the Presidency in 1932, many Americans looked to his bold New Deal plans as the way out of the dark days of the Depression. But a powerful group of financiers and industrialists saw his economic policies as a threat.

THE PLOT TO OVERTHROW FDR reveals how, inspired by political trends in Germany and Italy, this group conceived of a plan to either overthrow the newly-elected president or force him to take orders from them. They envisioned a paramilitary organization of disgruntled WWI veterans as the force to intimidate the government. The man they chose to inspire and lead this veteran's army was retired Marine General Smedley D. Butler, a colorful and outspoken champion of veteran's rights. But Butler was their undoing. After discovering the details of the conspiracy, the horrified general blew the whistle and subjected the outrageous plot to the scrutiny of a Congressional investigation.

With the help of leading scholars, historians and government officials, IN SEARCH OF HISTORY™ reveals the details of one of the most bizarre schemes in American history.
 

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Re: It's the same old recycled stuff, different decade.......let's stop repeating his

That's because it's Spanish and I interpreted for you in parenthesis (corporate state) and was used by Mussolini. Scholars who have studied fascism in the early part of the last century have noted things that were already mentioned by Dr.Clifford A. Kiracofe, Jr. who also worked as a former Senior Professional Staff Member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. I will quote part of his speech again, "As I said at the outset, in today's political situation in the United States we are, in effect, confronting the same forces that attempted to impose fascism in the United States during the 1930s. Back then, beginning in 1933, a cabal of Wall Street financiers and industrialists, who were enthusiastic supporters of International Fascism in Italy and Germany, and were well introduced to the higher circles of Europe, supported various movements of international Fascism in Germany, France, Italy, and England. Many of the American businessmen involved, were intimately involved in business arrangements with these very European financial and industrial circles. This cabal plotted a coup d'état against President Franklin Roosevelt and our Constitution. Let me recall the words of Ambassador William E. Dodd, Franklin Roosevelt's Ambassador to Germany. While here in our embassy, he watched American businessmen, one after the other, come to Germany in support of the Hitler regime. In 1937, he referred to the American section of the transnational fascist oligarchy of the era as follows:

A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there."

In the book, Under the Axe of Fascism, by Gaetano Salvemini and is also available to read in several different education journals online, gives discussion about Mussolini's support of Italian corporation through militarization and tariffs which were protective in nature. Mussolini helped mostly big business while workers sacrificed supposely for the state which was part of the propaganda. He talks of private and social work and is a big reason why many big buisness elite in the US came together to form their own group called the American Liberty League. More on this group Wall Street's Fascist Plot to Seize the White House This group formed in response FDR's election and their disdain for his policies that did not always give them total control over government policy. I think every person should be aware of such history so when scholars talk about American style Fascism, we don't repeat old wishes from large powerful business influence. The feeble minded are those who know nothing of history and will be doomed to repeat it.

your still misunderstanding corporate capitalism vs fascism.

fasmism controls business to those who benefit the state and conform politically,while under corporate capitalism,the business control the state.


you can call a duck a zebra,but if it walks like a duck,and quacks like a duck,it must be a duck.people have tried to pin everything capitalist to fASCISM SINCE ANYONE EVEN KNEW WHAT FASISM WAS,YOU ARE STILL IN THE SAMELEAGUE THAT CALLS everything thats not free market capitalism socialism,broadly trying to paint anything into an opposing group,despite the fact evidence does not back it up,nor logic nor even simple definitions.
 

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Re: It's the same old recycled stuff, different decade.......let's stop repeating his

your still misunderstanding corporate capitalism vs fascism.

fasmism controls business to those who benefit the state and conform politically,while under corporate capitalism,the business control the state.


you can call a duck a zebra,but if it walks like a duck,and quacks like a duck,it must be a duck.people have tried to pin everything capitalist to fASCISM SINCE ANYONE EVEN KNEW WHAT FASISM WAS,YOU ARE STILL IN THE SAMELEAGUE THAT CALLS everything thats not free market capitalism socialism,broadly trying to paint anything into an opposing group,despite the fact evidence does not back it up,nor logic nor even simple definitions.

I'm not misunderstanding anything. I posted some information from a scholar who spoke on the issue. There are many journal links you can connect to on the topic. Sorry you have to pay a fee to read from most scholarly works but here are some: JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

What is a Scholarly Journal?
Scholarly Journals are journals which are respected for the research and information they provide about the topic they cover. They are written by and for people who have experience in a discipline or field. The research is often refereed meaning that it is reviewed by other researchers who are knowledgeable about the topic of the article. They usually have a more serious look than most popular magazines and contain graphs and charts but do not usually have many pictures. Scholarly journals cite their sources using footnotes or bibliographies. Although some scholarly journals have advertisements they are not prominent and usually relate directly to the topic of the journal.

Now if you claim to know more about the topic at hand than people who have studied the actual topic, nothing I can do about that.
 

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Re: It's the same old recycled stuff, different decade.......let's stop repeating his

I'm not misunderstanding anything. I posted some information from a scholar who spoke on the issue. There are many journal links you can connect to on the topic. Sorry you have to pay a fee to read from most scholarly works but here are some: JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

What is a Scholarly Journal?
Scholarly Journals are journals which are respected for the research and information they provide about the topic they cover. They are written by and for people who have experience in a discipline or field. The research is often refereed meaning that it is reviewed by other researchers who are knowledgeable about the topic of the article. They usually have a more serious look than most popular magazines and contain graphs and charts but do not usually have many pictures. Scholarly journals cite their sources using footnotes or bibliographies. Although some scholarly journals have advertisements they are not prominent and usually relate directly to the topic of the journal.

Now if you claim to know more about the topic at hand than people who have studied the actual topic, nothing I can do about that.

well ok we have a scholarly review,written by a guy with a severe bias,hand to a handfull of people,probably with a severe bias,that yet still defies logic and definition to use is own worldy created definitions to fit an agenda he created,rather than what is scientifically or historically true.

in the end what you described again is crporate capitalism,not fascism,try pickup a dictionary rather than using some guys definitions which he had to create solely to fit his argument.
 
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