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It's racist to suggest Obama didn't deserve Nobel Prize

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It's racist to suggest Obama didn't deserve Nobel Prize

BOB ELLIS
October 15, 2009


In the first edition of Margaret Mitchell's novel Gone With The Wind Rhett Butler boasts of having shot dead a young black man for looking at a white woman 'the wrong way'. The presumptuous young pup was getting above himself, Rhett explained, 'so I shot him then and there'. Much the same thing happened in US public life last week when Barack Obama accepted the Nobel Peace Prize, and white America howled him down.

Too soon, white America said, the presumptuous young pup. He's getting above himself.

It was a classic repressed-racist reaction. He's got the presidency, God damn it, what else does he want? An Oscar? An Emmy? A Pulitzer Prize? There was no such response when Al Gore won the Nobel for a single travelling slide show. No one said he hadn't done enough yet, he hadn't saved the world yet. It was sufficient that he wanted to, and spoke well in that cause.

The racism attendant on the American response was blatantly evident because nobody mentioned who else should have got it. They emphasised only that he didn't deserve it. He hadn't done anything yet. Nobody said who deserved it more. Partly because it was hard to think of anybody who did. He should just give it back, that's all.

>snip<

A curious thing to say. The presumption was that he wasn't born before he was president, that he had no life before then. That he hadn't addressed massed crowds in Berlin, promising a better world. That he hadn't electrified America with his oration at the 2004 Convention in Boston, thought by many to be as good as the Gettysburg Address. That he hadn't written a book that changed lives. That he hadn't enthused black America by winning the nomination. That he hadn't astonished the world by being elected President and by the speech he gave that night, a speech some thought as good as 'I Have A Dream'.

It was hard to see how Morgan Tsvangarai had done more for world peace by then, or ever; or Hu Jia had. So their names weren't mentioned by Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or Alexander Downer. Nor was anybody else's. Give it back, they said, give it back.

They also seemed to suggest he got the prize 11 days into his presidency, not that he was merely nominated for it that day, along with 200 others. And what he did after that – the ending of torture in US military prisons, the unshackling of travel to Cuba, the abolition of the rockets pointed at Russia, the call for universal nuclear disarmament – had nothing to do with it, nothing to do with his winning it 252 days later. Some would say his speech in Cairo, which did much to pacify a billion Muslims, and win many thousands of angry young men back from jihad and confrontation – was worth a peace prize on its own.

But no, he didn't deserve it for all these things, or for any of them. Somebody else did. It was just never established who that was.

Never before had being president been thought a precondition for the Nobel Peace Prize. Mother Theresa never held that office, nor Muhammad Yunus, nor Martin Luther King, nor (though he came close) Al Gore. Nelson Mandela got his prize before he was president, and so did Jose Ramos Horta. They got it for inspiring hope, for the audacity of hope they stirred up in their people. Aung San Suu Kyi and the Dalai Lama, it could be said, in their long pilgrimages of eloquent protest and stifled leadership, achieved almost nothing for their people. But they got the peace prize anyway for trying hard, and for speaking wonderfully and for winning foreign hearts to their cause.

Barack Obama in the past five years, in the 1872 days of his fame, his candidacy and his presidency, has achieved more for the general good (I draw a deep breath here) than all of them put together. And yet he is being told to give it back, it's such an embarrassment, it devalues the currency, it's corrupt, it's unpleasant, it's a joke, by those media commentators whose trade is encoded racism.

He's getting above himself, the uppity mulatto.

Or is there some other explanation?

Just asking.


It's racist to suggest Obama didn't deserve Nobel Prize

I wanted to post this in its near-entirety, because I think it's thought-provoking.
Sorry if it's in the wrong forum or breaking some rule or other.
Feel free to move it, edit it, or whatever you need to do.
I rarely post articles anymore because i'm not very clear on the protocol.

But anyway... thoughts on this piece?
 
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I would say that even if he made the case that Obama deserved it -- which he did not -- there is not one single shred of an inkling of an iota of support for the idea that it is any way, shape, form, or manner racist to say he didn't.

People like this are part of the reason race is always, always, always going to be an issue, because they won't let it NOT be.
 
I would say that even if he made the case that Obama deserved it -- which he did not -- there is not one single shred of an inkling of an iota of support for the idea that it is any way, shape, form, or manner racist to say he didn't.

People like this are part of the reason race is always, always, always going to be an issue, because they won't let it NOT be.



There's a shred ... you can always count on Buchanan:

Buchanan On Obama's "Affirmative Action Nobel" | TPM LiveWire



But, on the whole, I agree with you, the criticisms weren't based in racism.
 
tl;dr

Yea, he didn't do ****.

/thread. Thanks for playing!

He did all kinds of "****", even before he ever thought of running for president.
I take it you haven't read "Dreams".
 
He did all kinds of "****", even before he ever thought of running for president.
I take it you haven't read "Dreams".

That, and others. Where is Duchac's Nobel Peace prize?
 
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It's racist to suggest Obama didn't deserve Nobel Prize

In the politically correct hell we live in today, created by far left liberals, being a Black public figure means never having to say you're sorry.

Liberal Criticism - The act of criticizing, especially adversely. A critical comment or judgment based on a persons actions.

Conservative Criticism - The act of criticizing, especially adversely, based solely on a deep seeded hatred or intolerance toward African-Americans.

Does that about sum things up?

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That, and others. Where is Duchac's Nobel Peace prize?
Where is Cthulu's Nobel Peace Prize?

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I would think more people hate Obama for being a democrat than hate him for being black.
 
I wanted to post this in its near-entirety, because I think it's thought-provoking.
Sorry if it's in the wrong forum or breaking some rule or other.
Feel free to move it, edit it, or whatever you need to do.
I rarely post articles anymore because i'm not very clear on the protocol.

But anyway... thoughts on this piece?

Thought provoking? Hardly. That article was too stupid to be thought provoking. The NPP's panels stated reason did not match with not only the rules laid out by Mr. Nobel but what Obama has actually done within those rules. That is where the contention lies.

This imo is nothing more than typical BS spouted to try and discredit actual, real arguements. It seems that liberals like to do this quite often.
 
He's getting above himself, the uppity mulatto.

Or is there some other explanation?

Just asking.

He didn't deserve the prize because he didn't do anything.

Call me racist for pointing that fact out. I find it beyond disgusting how race is being dragged into everything.

People seem to forget Obama is half white. So no, Obama is not Black. He is mixed race. :doh
 
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He evidenly did enough to earn it as a black man. Silly us for placing white expectations upon him.
 
I would think more people hate Obama for being a democrat than hate him for being black.

I would agree but I think to deny there exists a segment of our society that is bigoted, antisemitic, anti-Latino ..(whatever).....is to deny reality. How big that segment is will always be open to debate but it's existence is undeniable. (to my way of thinking, someone who is vehemently against EVERYTHING that Obama does is a logical choice to suspect racism. Whether true or not...for that type of person to be angered by others even suspecting racism is unrealistic)
 
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I would agree but I think to deny there exists a segment of our society that is bigoted, antisemitic, anti-Latino ..(whatever).....is to deny reality. How big that segment is will always be open to debate but it's existence is undeniable.

A big portion of that bigoted segment is in the black community.

Devil505 said:
(to my way of thinking, someone who is vehemently against EVERYTHING that Obama does is a logical choice to suspect racism)

Is it not sufficient that they merely be ideologically opposed to Obama? Isn't that some sort of reverse racism?
 
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I would say that even if he made the case that Obama deserved it -- which he did not --

The Nobel committee evidently disagrees with you.

Personally, I feel that Obama's rejection of state sponsored torture, reducing the level of diplomatic "swagger" we were perceived as having & a willingness to talk with our enemies (beyond saying "My way of the highway") is more than enough reason to have earned him the prize.
 
A big portion of that bigoted segment is in the black community.
Where did I ever deny that?....But that has nothing to do with the question asked by this thread.



Is it not sufficient that they merely be ideologically opposed to Obama? Isn't that some sort of reverse racism?
Of course that is a legitimate reason to oppose Obama & many people do just that....But to deny that SOME people are simply racist & oppose Obama for that reason is equally unrealistic.

Again, the question ...(which will always be really unknowable)
is how many anti-Obama people are just racists & who they are.

(if your argument is that there is no racism in the white community & ALL anti-Obama feelings are ideologically based, then we'll just have to agree to disagree)
 
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reefedjib said:
A big portion of that bigoted segment is in the black community.

Where did I ever deny that?....But that has nothing to do with the question asked by this thread.

I didn't say you denied it but if we are going to start throwing the racism charge around, then let's be comprehensive of our treatment of who gets so labelled.

Of course that is a legitimate reason to oppose Obama & many people do just that....But to deny that SOME people are simply racist & oppose Obama for that reason is equally unrealistic.

That's certainly why I oppose him and many, many others too. He is working to deconstruct the power and influence of America, domestically and internationally. I oppose that.

Decline Is a Choice

His being black and our president is actually one of the few things that I am proud about. I keep waiting for a woman to hold office.

Again, the question ...(which will always be really unknowable)
is how many anti-Obama people are just racists & who they are.

Sounds like a witch hunt. Anyone who criticizes the president runs the risk of being accused of racism. That's racist.

(if your argument is that there is no racism in the white community & ALL anti-Obama feelings are ideologically based, then we'll just have to agree to disagree)

I never said that.
 
I disagree with the articles main premise. I really don't believe that the country that just elected its first black president would turn around and complain that an African-American just won the Nobel prize. The choice baffled many people on the right AND the left. People who actually voted for him were very surprised too. It even baffled the recipient himself.

Saying that he didn't do anything to deserve it is sort of true. I would say that he did plenty to deserve the nomination, but the prize should have gone to someone who actually DID accomplish something tangible, as opposed to just having the right sort of potential.

My guess is that Obama is starting to experience something that I noticed with Bill Clinton as well when he was president. He seems to be more admired and appreciated outside his own country than within. Although, to be fair, the international press was just as baffled with the choice as the American press. There were, however, no calls for him to give it back.
 
It's racist to suggest Obama didn't deserve Nobel Prize

BOB ELLIS
October 15, 2009


In the first edition of Margaret Mitchell's novel Gone With The Wind Rhett Butler boasts of having shot dead a young black man for looking at a white woman 'the wrong way'. The presumptuous young pup was getting above himself, Rhett explained, 'so I shot him then and there'. Much the same thing happened in US public life last week when Barack Obama accepted the Nobel Peace Prize, and white America howled him down.

Too soon, white America said, the presumptuous young pup. He's getting above himself.

It was a classic repressed-racist reaction. He's got the presidency, God damn it, what else does he want? An Oscar? An Emmy? A Pulitzer Prize? There was no such response when Al Gore won the Nobel for a single travelling slide show. No one said he hadn't done enough yet, he hadn't saved the world yet. It was sufficient that he wanted to, and spoke well in that cause.

The racism attendant on the American response was blatantly evident because nobody mentioned who else should have got it. They emphasised only that he didn't deserve it. He hadn't done anything yet. Nobody said who deserved it more. Partly because it was hard to think of anybody who did. He should just give it back, that's all.

>snip<

A curious thing to say. The presumption was that he wasn't born before he was president, that he had no life before then. That he hadn't addressed massed crowds in Berlin, promising a better world. That he hadn't electrified America with his oration at the 2004 Convention in Boston, thought by many to be as good as the Gettysburg Address. That he hadn't written a book that changed lives. That he hadn't enthused black America by winning the nomination. That he hadn't astonished the world by being elected President and by the speech he gave that night, a speech some thought as good as 'I Have A Dream'.

It was hard to see how Morgan Tsvangarai had done more for world peace by then, or ever; or Hu Jia had. So their names weren't mentioned by Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or Alexander Downer. Nor was anybody else's. Give it back, they said, give it back.

They also seemed to suggest he got the prize 11 days into his presidency, not that he was merely nominated for it that day, along with 200 others. And what he did after that – the ending of torture in US military prisons, the unshackling of travel to Cuba, the abolition of the rockets pointed at Russia, the call for universal nuclear disarmament – had nothing to do with it, nothing to do with his winning it 252 days later. Some would say his speech in Cairo, which did much to pacify a billion Muslims, and win many thousands of angry young men back from jihad and confrontation – was worth a peace prize on its own.

But no, he didn't deserve it for all these things, or for any of them. Somebody else did. It was just never established who that was.

Never before had being president been thought a precondition for the Nobel Peace Prize. Mother Theresa never held that office, nor Muhammad Yunus, nor Martin Luther King, nor (though he came close) Al Gore. Nelson Mandela got his prize before he was president, and so did Jose Ramos Horta. They got it for inspiring hope, for the audacity of hope they stirred up in their people. Aung San Suu Kyi and the Dalai Lama, it could be said, in their long pilgrimages of eloquent protest and stifled leadership, achieved almost nothing for their people. But they got the peace prize anyway for trying hard, and for speaking wonderfully and for winning foreign hearts to their cause.

Barack Obama in the past five years, in the 1872 days of his fame, his candidacy and his presidency, has achieved more for the general good (I draw a deep breath here) than all of them put together. And yet he is being told to give it back, it's such an embarrassment, it devalues the currency, it's corrupt, it's unpleasant, it's a joke, by those media commentators whose trade is encoded racism.

He's getting above himself, the uppity mulatto.

Or is there some other explanation?

Just asking.


It's racist to suggest Obama didn't deserve Nobel Prize

I wanted to post this in its near-entirety, because I think it's thought-provoking.
Sorry if it's in the wrong forum or breaking some rule or other.
Feel free to move it, edit it, or whatever you need to do.
I rarely post articles anymore because i'm not very clear on the protocol.

But anyway... thoughts on this piece?
is it racist? on some level, for some people, i'm sure it is. others just hate obama because he's not a member of the right party, and no accolades he receives will be deserved, in their minds.
 
It's racist to suggest Obama didn't deserve Nobel Prize

In the politically correct hell we live in today, created by far left liberals, being a Black public figure means never having to say you're sorry.

Liberal Criticism - The act of criticizing, especially adversely. A critical comment or judgment based on a persons actions.

Conservative Criticism - The act of criticizing, especially adversely, based solely on a deep seeded hatred or intolerance toward African-Americans.

Does that about sum things up?

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sorry for what?
 
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