horse****.
you make a credible criticism of policy... it is a policy debate.
you make a credible criticism of ideology... it is an ideological debate.
I agree completely that's the way it SHOULD be.
the overwhelming 'criticisms' you read here and hear all over are not criticisms at all but unfounded accusations of 'socialism', 'takeover', deception.... one poster here calls a man who has spent his young life working at making life better for poor folk, earning a his degree in (and lecturing on) Constitutional law serving in the senate and now president as unamerican. hell, read your own bloody post.... accusations without a fragment of substance. it is not simply the opposition to the man, it is the virulence, the hatred.
Ya, though I do question which countries constitution his degree represents, because, for someone that's studied the constitution for as long as he apparently has, would KNOW the limits...
He might as well be the continuation of Bush, he sold himself as the antithesis to Bush, but it turned out that he wasn't lying, he just opposed Bush in the sense that Bush wasn't going nearly far enough.
yeah... i see a trend. i see a trend of propaganda with the obvious intent of smearing an honorable man. the intent is open to speculation.
I'm not smearing anyone... it's not a 'smear' to point out the person that farts in church.
Is it because all these people hate black folk? no, i do not think so. Is the fact that he is the first black president a factor? does the undercurrent of distrust of black men that has been a staple of this culture for 600 years have anything to do with it? are there folks out there, concious of how easy it is to trip that latent fear and distrust making use of it for political gain?
i would say that it is a pretty good bet.
The internet is rife with images of the president as a witch doctor, an ape.Characterizations of his WIFE as a 'national geographic model', a descendant of a zoo gorilla. One S.C. GOP activist jokes ""I just heard Obama was going to impose a 40% tax on aspirin because it's white and it works.", in Va, another claims that "the Obama family [in africa] can skim enough to allow them to free their goats and live the American Dream."
a texas football player says ""all the hunters gather up, we have a nigger in the whitehouse." we have portraits of him as white eyes on a black background, as a donkey surrounded by watermelon, fried chicken,
A Rep representative says "Republicans are struggling right now to find the great white hope.", another from KY. calls him "boy".
Beck, in a stunningly cynical attempt to turn the tables, called him a racist. On what basis?
and that is just the stuff that makes the news. Email, twitters... not policy, race. I was talking to a fella the other day while composing a post for this forum about water rights, he a La rancher. When he called the president 'ears'... well, so what. When he called him a coon, the discussion ended.
so, yeah, when i hear accusations and insults rather than criticism, the possibility of racism becomes pretty evident.
geo.
Ok, I'd be lying if I said that it had NOTHING to do with race... but it only has something to do with race, with SUCH a SMALL minority of people that it may as well be negligible. What this has to do is the betrayal of the people's expectations... and people in general are starting to put two and two together that the republicans and democrats both play for the 'big government' team. It doesn't matter if the president is white, black, brown, blue, whatever... they are still the puppet that's still dancing with the strings.
As a way to demonize and mitigate this VERY REAL opposition to the SYSTEM over the 'party' in power... in this case the liberals (which just as easily could have been republicans, they both do the same things, tho the republicans go about it in a different way) have simply PUSHED the issue of racism, as being equated in the minds of the general public, that it's based in racism. So, decent people don't want to associate themselves as a racist and so put up with something they otherwise would be opposed to. There's also examples of democratic party members and supporters that have been CAUGHT dressing up like clowns and pretending to be racist.
sure... partisan bashing has a long and storied history in politics. Geo I was ridiculously ridiculed for being a 'wimp'... a navy pilot. But... not on national television. No one called him an enemy of the state. Some called his son stupid... he wasn't particularly bright but he was not stupid. he just didn't bother to use his brain much. and so forth. Even so, no one created websites dedicated to his assassination. No one pilloried laura by representing her as an animal or suggested she needs to be raped and chained up.
what is happening now IS different. GW took serious heat only after Iraq, for which he deserved it. Obama had to have SS protection BEFORE he announced as a candidate. The GOP candidate for Vice President spoke before crowds and called him a terrorist dupe while the crowd called out "KILL HIM", that incident alone causing the Secret Service to increase his protection.
read the 'criticisms'. as i say, they amount to little more that insults and disinformation. the republican propaganda machine is running full blast and fueling NOT disagreement but hatred.
and race always plays a part. i bet you a dollar you could not have found a website as insulting of ANY president as
+Obama is nothing but a ****ing +nigger+ or
niggermania.net
did you see the t-shirts and bumper stickers urging others to "Pray for Bush" and citing "psalm 109:8" - the verse? "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow." No? well, replace "Bush" with "Obama" and you can buy them online.
how many people yelled out "KILL HIM" at Bush election rallies? how many Bush assassination plots were broken up or investigated?. FaceBook polls on when he would be killed? Twitters threatening his life?
Stupid people making threats is not enough to justify this massive over-generalization.
yes, it is different. I have yet to read valid criticisms HERE. if you have disagreements, post em, support em. but, if yer just gonna spew venom, it is reasonable for me to assume the agenda you are NOT discussing.
geo.
Did you read :
- the healthcare bill?? It's unconstitutional. It's essentially an act of fascism (in the sense of turning private corporations into government run business), though commonly called 'socialism'... Canada has 'socialist' health care... Obama's health care is NOTHING like canada's system.
- The bailout bill ? It was never '800billion$' it was a bottomless '800 billion' line of credit, mostly went to foreign institutions, and when pressed for more information allows people like Bernancke to tell the congress "&@*$ YOU! That's MY money now, %&*$"
- The 'give act'?? It was initially a 'mandatory civilian service' bill... later the wording was changed removing the 'mandatory' wording.
- ETC...
These bills pushed by a 'constitutional lawyer'... maybe in Russia, China, or North Korea, BUT NOT in AMERICA are these legilative efforts legal. Except through loopholes like abuse of the meaning of the commerce clause or the supremacy clause.
So, ya, there are some legitimate non-racial concerns going against Obama...
