It's now a felony in Illinois to assault a retail worker who is enforcing face mask rules

[eman623]

And where did the CDC or the WHO say "masks don't work"? The Daily Caller lied in their headline like always and you fell for it. Using them for your info is not too bright I'm afraid.

I don't have time to find the CDC published studies that claim masks are ineffective, but they are out there.

In any case, the CDC, WHO and Surgeon General told people to not wear masks. Better to spread the covid germs I guess,

 

[iguanaman]

I don't have time to find the CDC published studies that claim masks are ineffective, but they are out there.

In any case, the CDC, WHO and Surgeon General told people to not wear masks. Better to spread the covid germs I guess,

Saying that masks are ineffective is like saying condoms don't prevent pregnancies. It is just not true and no doctor would say that. The Daily Caller would though because they are subversives.

 

[Crossfire]

Specifically in relation to Coronavirus? No, but he is on record as encouraging violence against those who protest against him.

Opinion | It Isn’t Complicated: Trump Encourages Violence - The New York Times

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You could have just typed "No". It would have saved you some time.

 

[Chomsky]

That, and many of the people getting infected are essential workers living in multifamily dwellings. In other words, they get sick at work, and then bring it home to spread to the building.

Maybe you're on to something. It seems like almost everyone I know in L.A. & O.C. is in a family or room-mate situation. It's often too expensive to live solo or 'couple only'. Everyone has a room-mate or family-member/friend with them!

 

[Ahlevah]

Good job, Illinois. Lead the way.

Yeah, good job, Illinois! Lead the way! Get those anti-maskers! :lol:



(Maybe it's time to move to Texas. :doh)

 

[Cardinal]

Used to be we could all go around beating retail workers for a lark. Leave it to a few bad apples to ruin the fun for the rest of us.

I've been trying for over a day to top this and I can't.

 

[Cardinal]

Yeah, good job, Illinois! Lead the way! Get those anti-maskers! :lol:



(Maybe it's time to move to Texas. :doh)

Trump's America.

 

[Court Jester]

What does the law say in Illinois for when a retail worker while "enforcing" a mask policy uses phyisical force to assault a customer who refused to wear a mask I wonder?

Civil lawyers are going to LOVE this new law in Illinois. Most retail stores have strict policies today against even remotely attempting to stop shoplifters/petty theft. Most retail chains will terminate an employee (other than certain loss prevention agents) who so much as lays a finger on a suspected shoplifter---even ones they observe stealing. And the reason is because of the lawsuits which result after some low brow retail worker feels like playing cop/Rambo while "enforcing policies".

Stores won't even take a stand on people coming into stores with all kinds of pets with them anymore. So now the governor of Illinois wants to encourage some high school drop outs at Wallyworld to "enforce" a mask policy---potentially with force?

If a customer assaults an employee that is one thing. But there has always been laws against that. But if an employee lays hands on a customer first over a mask policy, then good luck in court calling that a battery by the customer. Lawyers are already counting the money on this side show.

 

[Court Jester]

Saying that masks are ineffective is like saying condoms don't prevent pregnancies.

Any idea what the failure rate with condoms are, especially with young people, especially drunk young people?

I wouldn't use condoms as an example. There are millions and millions of people walking the Earth right now who got here despite daddy wearing a condom.

 

[iguanaman]

Any idea what the failure rate with condoms are, especially with young people, especially drunk young people?

I wouldn't use condoms as an example. There are millions and millions of people walking the Earth right now who got here despite daddy wearing a condom.

Give me a break. Condoms are 99% effective at stopping pregnancy.

 

[Hatuey]

Virtue signaling by the Illinois legislature. It's already illegal to assault someone in Illinois.

I'm old enough to remember when people were told not to wear masks. That was 5 months ago.

It is almost like things can change on a linear time-line, and the instructions we give large groups of people can change.

One month we are telling people asbestos is okay, the next, we say it causes cancer and people can die. I say truck it, and build a house with asbestos, like when America was great.


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[Court Jester]

Give me a break. Condoms are 99% effective at stopping pregnancy.

Sure, if they are used 100% correctly they are. Masks in this context aren't even near that number anyway. People aren't wearing masks properly most of the time.

Back during the AIDS epidemic some group did an experiment on condoms. I believe they took like 100 married couples who were otherwise not using condoms as a means of birth control, and not to test for birth control, but to see what happened with the condoms themselves; they asked the couples to record their experiences. Now these were married couples in the privacy and comfort of their own homes; people already familiar with each other sexually--- no pressure, no worries--- just what happened with condoms.

I recall something like 18-20% failure/mishaps with the condoms. Slipping off, tearing, etc. So not really a 100% certain that had they been using them as a protection against AIDS, that it wouldn't result in the possibility of infection is what they concluded.

The article then went on to predict that younger people, people maybe drunk of on drugs, or just the type of sexual encounter that might happen say in a car, a restroom-- or something like that, and the "mishap rate" might be even higher.

 

[TurtleDude]

Pritzker has done so many things right with the pandemic, that I lost count. Failure to personally wear a mask is not just mandatory escalating fines, but includes a misdemeanor option on the third strike. For businesses, one mask violation is a temp suspension, while three strikes is mandatory license revocation.

He don't mess around

But the best thing: he listens to the universities. And it largely worked.

I suspect the courts might have something to say about this. If you are ill and you are in close contact with someone and don't wear a mask-maybe that is battery. You aren't ill and you aren't wearing a mask-that is sort of like saying having a rifle slung over your shoulder is an assault

 

[iguanaman]

Sure, if they are used 100% correctly they are. Masks in this context aren't even near that number anyway. People aren't wearing masks properly most of the time.

Back during the AIDS epidemic some group did an experiment on condoms. I believe they took like 100 married couples who were otherwise not using condoms as a means of birth control, and not to test for birth control, but to see what happened with the condoms themselves; they asked the couples to record their experiences. Now these were married couples in the privacy and comfort of their own homes; people already familiar with each other sexually--- no pressure, no worries--- just what happened with condoms.

I recall something like 18-20% failure/mishaps with the condoms. Slipping off, tearing, etc. So not really a 100% certain that had they been using them as a protection against AIDS, that it wouldn't result in the possibility of infection is what they concluded.

The article then went on to predict that younger people, people maybe drunk of on drugs, or just the type of sexual encounter that might happen say in a car, a restroom-- or something like that, and the "mishap rate" might be even higher.

The use of masks to limit the viral load that an infected "spreader" releases for days before symptoms develop is not a difficult task. It provides a physical boundary for the droplets containing the virus. It is not rocket science and does not require a degree to accomplish. It is sick that people act like wearing a mask is an imposition instead a a badge of honor that indicates they are committed to beating this virus and are doing their part. It's like they have bailed on society and are taking the viruses side out of spite. They remind me of the zombies in a zombie apocalypse.

 

[iguanaman]

I suspect the courts might have something to say about this. If you are ill and you are in close contact with someone and don't wear a mask-maybe that is battery. You aren't ill and you aren't wearing a mask-that is sort of like saying having a rifle slung over your shoulder is an assault

 

[iguanaman]

It is almost like things can change on a linear time-line, and the instructions we give large groups of people can change.

One month we are telling people asbestos is okay, the next, we say it causes cancer and people can die. I say truck it, and build a house with asbestos, like when America was great.


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Thought had by person at the White House: If you can remember, man, woman, car, camera, TV, you are fit to lead a country and no one has anything to worry about

That's what Putin says too. Russia is the world's largest producer of asbestos and asbestos products. They deny it causes cancer and export tons of it to undeveloped 3rd world nations that don't know any better.

• Asbestos mine production top countries worldwide 2019 | Statista

 

[Thoreau72]

Was it not already a felony to assault another person in Illinois?

 

[Moderate Right]

Fantastic news coming out of Illinois today.



Time to deliver some justice to those who terrorize people who are just trying to save lives. :thumbs:

What I think is ironic is lefties wanting to let all of the criminals go and decrease sentences for crimes (AKA criminal justice reform) and now they are increasing penalties and jail times and wanting to put more people in jail. Life doesn't get much funnier than that. Total hypocrites.

 

[Phys251]

What I think is ironic is lefties wanting to let all of the criminals go and decrease sentences for crimes (AKA criminal justice reform) and now they are increasing penalties and jail times and wanting to put more people in jail. Life doesn't get much funnier than that. Total hypocrites.

Your whataboutism suggests that you are in favor of people assaulting store employees. Are you?

 

[Chomsky]

I suspect the courts might have something to say about this. If you are ill and you are in close contact with someone and don't wear a mask-maybe that is battery. You aren't ill and you aren't wearing a mask-that is sort of like saying having a rifle slung over your shoulder is an assault

"Of course" - to the bolded.

But then there's Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1906), involving compulsory vaccinations, which might possibly be applicable.

 

[TurtleDude]

"Of course" - to the bolded.

But then there's Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1906), involving compulsory vaccinations, which might possibly be applicable.

1906 decisions concerning personal liberties are of dubious value. Plus masks do nothing to stop you from getting ill

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

What does the law say in Illinois for when a retail worker while "enforcing" a mask policy uses phyisical force to assault a customer who refused to wear a mask I wonder?

The law says that the retail worker committed a battery. Happy now?

Civil lawyers are going to LOVE this new law in Illinois. Most retail stores have strict policies today against even remotely attempting to stop shoplifters/petty theft. Most retail chains will terminate an employee (other than certain loss prevention agents) who so much as lays a finger on a suspected shoplifter---even ones they observe stealing. And the reason is because of the lawsuits which result after some low brow retail worker feels like playing cop/Rambo while "enforcing policies".

What, if anything does that have to do with the topic of the thread?

Stores won't even take a stand on people coming into stores with all kinds of pets with them anymore. So now the governor of Illinois wants to encourage some high school drop outs at Wallyworld to "enforce" a mask policy---potentially with force?

Might I suggest that you take a couple of lessons in "Reading For Comprehension"?

If a customer assaults an employee that is one thing. But there has always been laws against that. But if an employee lays hands on a customer first over a mask policy, then good luck in court calling that a battery by the customer. Lawyers are already counting the money on this side show.

Again, what, if anything does that have to do with the topic of the thread?

 

[Court Jester]

The law says that the retail worker committed a battery. Happy now?
What, if anything does that have to do with the topic of the thread?
Might I suggest that you take a couple of lessons in "Reading For Comprehension"?
Again, what, if anything does that have to do with the topic of the thread?

The thread AND the article talks about a new law making it a felony to assault a retail WORKER who is enforcing a mask policy. The question I asked was what happens when it is the retail WORKER who initiates a battery while "enforcing" a mask policy? I said: If the customer assaults a retail worker there is already a law against that---- it's called battery. But the same goes true the other way around; if an employee uses physical force to enforce a "policy"-- they may be at risk for criminal liability-- AND more importantly, civil liability. So maybe YOU are the one who needs a reading comprehension course? I clearly stated my question and my concerns about this stupid feel good legislation potentially putting retail stores at risk for being to gung-ho in their silly mask enforcement policies. At the heart of the stupidity with this "feel good law" is that not wearing a mask is NOT a life or death matter that requires someone to use physical "enforcement" on a violator by retail workers. I'm not debating their right to have that policy-- or to refuse service. And, if a customer refuses to comply they can be sited with trespass. But that would be a police matter in most cases.

Just like with airline workers, you give them an extra ounce of "control" over someone-- and the weak minded will attempt to use that control over people in a typical passive aggressive manner--- generally making matters worse. Anyone who assaults anyone should be arrested. But going Rambo on some idiot who is playing the opposite card with this silly mask hysteria by refusing to comply is just as bad as the "mask Nazis" attempting to make mask refusal a Federal offense. Somebody refuses to wear a mask and it makes you uncomfortable, then just steer clear of them; give them an extra 20 feet. If you are a cashier in a grocery store and the store has a mask policy and a customer refuses to wear one and they come through your checkout lane; just close your register and walk away leaving the mask violator to do what---- other than stand there with nobody to tender their purchase---and eventually leave? Eventually they'll get the point.

 

[Chomsky]

1906 decisions concerning personal liberties are of dubious value.

I can't say I know the inner workings of Stare Decisis as well as an attorney, but I gave you a precedent that was re-affirmed in 1922, referenced in several cases since then, including being used as the basis for the recent Texas pandemic abortion ban.

If it was used earlier this year in reference to the pandemic specifically, I suspect it is still highly relevant several months later.

Plus masks do nothing to stop you from getting ill

Please don't go there, my friend. You know what this is about, how it works, and why Jacobson referenced police powers & community self-defense. I suspect you may know masks predominately protect the public, more-so than the wearer. Again, self-defense.

 

[JMaximus]

The stupid part is there are so many anti-maskers who assault workers that this law is needed.

How many is so many?