It's amazing how an election loss, even as big as this one, still doesn't put a dent in the thinking that lost it.

[MAGAnificent]

Lol you don't have "reasons". You're just in denial about how unpopular Trump was.

On the contrary. Trump was very popular during the 2020 race, more popular then 2016. It was Dopey Joe of dementia fame that was not popular....which is really the point of the smell test.

 

[eohrnberger]

No, it wasn't.

Sure, sure. </sarcasm>

It still is a problem, IMO. YMMV

Typical, the left fabricating yet another problem where none exists when people don't do as they want.

Why would you respond with a logical fallacy?

No logical fallacy, this is how your posts citing those percentages reads.

 

[Fletch]

Then why the loss?

The voters are stupid Nazis, thats why.

Except blind polls show voters preferred the Dems platforms to the GOP.

Republicans favoured Kamala Harris's policies in blind polling

Kamala Harris’s policies were preferred by Republicans to Donald Trump's in blind polling carried out ahead of the election.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

And when you actually weigh policies and their approval with the public:

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This is the same thing that happened with the ACA. When you called it Obamacare voters dissaproved, but when you just described it without naming it it had majority support. Clearly, there is a messaging problem for the left.

I see you have adopted the 'voters are too stupid to understand how great democrats are' approach. Yeah, you go with that.

 

[eohrnberger]

You know, you're right. I just want them to know they have a better choice to make in the next presidential election.

OK

Don't insult the electorates' intelligence again, and expect to win.

Well, this flies right in the face of their arrogant, self-important, omnipotent, smartest people in the room, opinion of themselves, all of which is obviously and blatantly false.
I rather doubt that they'll ever be able to give up these obviously wrong opinions, but they may be able to stop voicing them during the election season. We'll have to see during the next one.

 

[nvflash]

My guess is that they will re-imagine themselves as a completely different party and start a narrative that is was Trump and the MAGAts who espoused Identity Politics and woke culture. And every neo-leftist here will swear it's true. If there is one word that best describes the neo-democratic party, it is FAKE.

They will say anything to get elected, but they always find a way to say the wrong things, because they are a party of elitist out of touch with the struggles of common people.

Still they win now and then because Republicans shoot themselves in the foot too.

Right now, Republicans are trying to figure out how not to do what got them elected in the first place. It never fails, so I'm not going to blame Democrats for that, why should I, right now, they are irrelevant.

Sure they can still filibuster, but as long as Republican make them do it, and not let them get away with the parlor trick of the 'intent to filibuster' the American people will see them for what they are.

Republicans need to get on message, they need bills ready on day one in the house to secure the borders, and get woking people no taxes on tips and overtime.

These bills need to be debated in the House, and they need to come to a vote, so the American people can see who is who.

I'm not listening to the 'but Democrats excuse, they road Trump to power, and they will fall in line and do what he said he would do.

 

[eohrnberger]

And they are no where near done, next up is their violent protests. 30 million violent Karens are about to demonstrate their moral and intellectual superiority by destroying American and terrorizing the population for not supporting the neo-leftist agenda.

This quite likely in my mind, given that's exactly what happened after Trump's last election win.

In the larger scheme of things, all those things would be minor compared to:

A sprawling network of Democratic officials, progressive activists, watchdog groups and ex-Republicans has been taking extraordinary steps to prepare for a potential second Trump presidency, drawn together by the fear that Mr. Trump’s return to power would pose a grave threat not just to their agenda but to American democracy itself.​

. . .​

But the early timing, volume and scale of the planning underway to push back against a potential second Trump administration are without precedent. The loose-knit coalition is determined not to be caught flat-footed, as many were after his unexpected victory in 2016.​

The Resistance to a New Trump Administration Has Already Started (Published 2024)

An emerging coalition that views Donald J. Trump’s agenda as a threat to democracy is laying the groundwork to push back if he wins in November, taking extraordinary pre-emptive actions.

www.nytimes.com

I dunno, but this really seems like subversive activities which are being taken.

 

[eohrnberger]

Bill Clinton alligned closer to Trump than AOC or the majority of the Democratic ticket which is why he'd never be supported by the Left today.

Yet another concrete example of how the left have gone further left than anything, or anyone, else.
The current thinking on the right seems to pretty well align with the Reagan era, so haven't moved much.

If the left wants to blame anyone for being left out, they need to blame themselves, and also need to move to more moderate positions and policies.

 

[Kblaster49]

Yes the Democrats are the problem, they threw working class voters overboard, they threw black voters overboard; all for illegals coming into the country as what Democrats counted on to be a new constituency. Surprise, surprise, Hispanics that are citizens hate illegal immigration, too.

Finance issue? Are you ****ing kidding me? Kamala outraised Trump almost 4 to 1!

If Democrats are not the problem, why didn't you win? Turnout could be the issue except the reason for low turnout was a bad candidate with the same bad ideas. You have to consider, possibly Harris was a flawed candidate and policy issues did not win Americans over. Pretty simple, why can't you figure it out? Quit trying to blame someone and think through how things could have been done differently and quit attacking Republicans because you have forgotten how to do anything else.

I don’t respond to rants but will take the time to point out a reading comprehension issue.
I never said fundraising was the problem, I said “the “campaign finance system” was the problem.

 

[Big Brother]

They will say anything to get elected, but they always find a way to say the wrong things, because they are a party of elitist out of touch with the struggles of common people.

Still they win now and then because Republicans shoot themselves in the foot too.

Right now, Republicans are trying to figure out how not to do what got them elected in the first place. It never fails, so I'm not going to blame Democrats for that, why should I, right now, they are irrelevant.

Sure they can still filibuster, but as long as Republican make them do it, and not let them get away with the parlor trick of the 'intent to filibuster' the American people will see them for what they are.

Republicans need to get on message, they need bills ready on day one in the house to secure the borders, and get woking people no taxes on tips and overtime.

These bills need to be debated in the House, and they need to come to a vote, so the American people can see who is who.

I'm not listening to the 'but Democrats excuse, they road Trump to power, and they will fall in line and do what he said he would do.

The next couple of years are going to be interesting, I hope the GOP doesn't cave to Big Money. You seen the parties have to fight two concurrent battles in a balancing act. The first is for public support so they can win elections. The second is for Big Money support so they can win elections. Often the two are mutually exclusive.

 

[Ethel2]

2020 was a Covid rigged election.

You libruls are a laugh a minute. You learn nothing from defeat. Instead of thinking about where your party went wrong and trying to fix it before the next election, you are just pouting, stomping your feet and hoping the republicans miserably fail.

Actually it is the democrat party that has become the party of exclusion You have all become elitists with disdain for the working class.

As I’ve written many times here you cannot carry on a debate with the MAGATS because they don’t live in the real world that us normal people live in. There are simply no intersecting points on which to base a conversation.

 

[MAGAnificent]

As I’ve written many times here you cannot carry on a debate with the MAGATS because they don’t live in the real world that us normal people live in. There are simply no intersecting points on which to base a conversation.

Look who is talking.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Someone smarter than Bill Maher would probably look at how the Dems performed in the down ballot races and consider the actual lesson to learn from the election.

Down ballot dems underperformed overall as well.

 

[nvflash]

The reasons I think the no taxes on tips and overtime are important fights to have, starting now, is people vote their checkbook.

Get working people a break, let them keep a bit more of what they earn, and they will forgive just about anything else, but fail to do it, fail to even try, or even make a fight of it, people will remember that too.

Those special elections that always come up in the House, they won't go your way, and the House controls all spending bills.

Without funding to secure the border, it won't get done.

Nothing will get done but the tax cuts for the rich will get extended, Democrats will win back the House, and they will all play the blame game for everything else and Trump will be impeached until his term is over.

Republicans will loose all credibility with working people, their support will go back to a party of over educated elitist snobs who hate woking people, and we will rinse and repeat inflation and debt until we are left homeless on the continent out founders conquered.

We can't fix this nation in 2 years or less, we can't have another lame duck because he losses the House, and we can't keep the House without the working Democrats and Independents who expect to be able to keep some more of their money to help pay bills in this inflation.

It's the economy stupid!

 

[Jredbaron96]

On the contrary. Trump was very popular during the 2020 race, .

No he wasn't, the majority of the country didn't like him he never cracked 50%.

It was Dopey Joe of dementia fame that was not popular....which is really the point of the smell test.

No, you're wrong. Biden had an approval rating above 50%.

No wonder you're peddling such bullshit. You don't know Jack about what 2020 was actually like.

 

[Ethel2]

Look who is talking.

Let me know when you get back from The Magic Kingdom.

 

[Jredbaron96]

The voters are stupid Nazis, thats why.

I see you have adopted the 'voters are too stupid to understand how great democrats are' approach. Yeah, you go with that.

No, voters aren't stupid. The median voter however is not overly engaged with politics and is thus vulnerable to misinformation.

Like the kind Elon Musk peddles and specifically exploited.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Down ballot dems underperformed overall as well.

If the Presidential results in the swing states had mirrored their senate results right now we'd be talking about Trump trying to overturn results in PA, MI, and AZ.

The point is that assuming this election represents a complete collapse of the left wing and ensures GOP dominance over the foreseeable future is a level of dooming that has become all too common in our political sphere


The GOP lost the House, Senate, and White House in 2020. Was that the end of their party?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Let me know when you get back from The Magic Kingdom.

Let me know when your grief over the election results eases.

 

[MAGAnificent]

No he wasn't, the majority of the country didn't like him he never cracked 50%.

BS, Trump garnered millions more votes in 2020 then he did in 2016. The outlier was a tired old dementia addled Biden gaining 81 million votes. He was not popular.

No, you're wrong. Biden had an approval rating above 50%.

How did approval ratings work out for you in 2016 and 2014? The only polls that really count are at election time when everyone gets to vote.

No wonder you're peddling such bullshit. You don't know Jack about what 2020 was actually like.

odd statement.

 

[Fletch]

No, voters aren't stupid. The median voter however is not overly engaged with politics and is thus vulnerable to misinformation.

Like the kind Elon Musk peddles and specifically exploited.

But you are too smart to be fooled arent you.

 

[Fletch]

If the Presidential results in the swing states had mirrored their senate results right now we'd be talking about Trump trying to overturn results in PA, MI, and AZ.

The point is that assuming this election represents a complete collapse of the left wing and ensures GOP dominance over the foreseeable future is a level of dooming that has become all too common in our political sphere


The GOP lost the House, Senate, and White House in 2020. Was that the end of their party?

No, but your party lost to Hitler and the Nazis. Maybe it should be the end of a party like that.

 

[Jredbaron96]

BS, Trump garnered millions more votes in 2020 then he did in 2016. The outlier was a tired old dementia addled Biden gaining 81 million votes. He was not popular.

You're arguing against reality. Biden was more popular than Trump. You can look it up yourself.

How did approval ratings work out for you in 2016 and 2014?

Hillary Clinton? She was underwater too! You have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[Jredbaron96]

But you are too smart to be fooled arent you.

I'm smart enough to know the tariffs Trump is suggesting would be bad for the economy and the consumer, are you?

 

[Fletch]

I'm smart enough to know the tariffs Trump is suggesting would be bad for the economy and the consumer, are you?

They arent going to happen

 

[eohrnberger]

No, voters aren't stupid.

True and I agree.

The median voter however is not overly engaged with politics and is thus vulnerable to misinformation.

Also true, and also I agree.

Like the kind Elon Musk peddles and specifically exploited.

I'd have to add that the whatever those two peddle pales by far in comparison to the misinformation the Dem's MSM constantly peddles.

Thank goodness that even the median voter who is not overly engaged with politics has come to recognize this, and hence, the impact of the misinformation the Dem's MSM constantly peddles is going to have less to no effect.