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Maybe I should cross off the old US of A off my list too then. After an innocent man who is very dear to someone I love was sent to prison for a crime he did not commit, his name will probably be on the sex offenders list for a few more years AFTER he gets out and his young life is pretty much destroyed along with that of his wife. All for the "crime" of mistakenly downloading kiddie porn on Lime Wire when all he wanted was regular porn. Possession alone was enough to send him to jail for 10 years, even if he never meant to possess any of that stuff.
Please clean up your own backyard before you go pointing fingers elsewhere. You're jailing innocents too and letting real criminals off for good behavior every day.
It's a shame that we have a system that will err under the guise of "Being Fair" to save 1 innocent man in 9 guilty ones, and will convict an innocent man on ridiculous grounds all in the name of "blind Justice". I've got a friend in the same predicament. Police bullied a confession out of him, nearly arrested me for standing up for him, and all on the word of his G/F's daughter's little spoiled brat child. why? He told this 14 year old she couldn't have a BEER that she TOOK from his fridge without permission, and she claims he touched her inappropriately.
Justice...she weeps.
puh-lease she is full of ****
appealing to emotion with no basis in fact
she is probably harboring that Hollywood pedophile
Coming from someone who was wrongfully accused on a number of occassions and having 1 1/2 semesters left to get my associates and the rest of my certifications for my Criminal Justice degree, I can tell you it's not all stereotypes. Very few stereotypes about Law Enforcement, the Courts, and the Correctional System hold any water.
All of the 'safeguards' we put to make sure justice is done often let off the bad guys with minimal punishment while the innocent man can expect to take the brunt of the law because of an accident or bad timing. And if in fact that guy had accidentally downloaded kiddie porn (which btw people set up Porn Bombs on PURPOSE), it would have been easy to prove that he had only downloaded anything ONCE if the Prosecution done its job and SOUGHT JUSTICE (Yeah, it's not SUPPOSED to pursue a conviction, that's what politics have turned it into) and the Defense for most, if it isn't a private lawyer, is some public defender with 50 cases a week and sometimes less than 2 hours time with their client to go over cases, and usually in that time they just work on ways to admit guilt and go for the least punishment.
Amanda Knox prosecutor Giuliano Mignini convicted of 'abuse of office' - Times Online
Giuliano Mignini, the prosecutor who secured the conviction last month of the American student Amanda Knox for the murder of her British flatmate Meredith Kercher, was handed a 16-month prison sentence yesterday for “abuse of office” in a separate murder investigation.
Mignini was convicted by a Florence court of exceeding his powers by tapping the phones of police officers and journalists investigating the still unsolved “Monster of Florence” serial killings between 1968 and 1985.
Interesting update if it's true:
Amanda Knox Bombshell: Convicted Killer Rudy Guede Told Cellmate Knox Didn't Do It, Says Paper - Crimesider - CBS News
NEW YORK (CBS) The Italian newspaper La Repubblica and some Italian national television networks are reporting tonight a new version of events in the controversial Amanda Knox murder case in Perugia, Italy.
Knox, 22, and her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, 25, were convicted of the murder of Meredith Kercher, along with a third man, Rudy Guede. Sollecito's attorneys, in conducting their own investigation, have interviewed a former cellmate of Rudy Guede.
Guede, 23, allegedly admitted to his cellmate that Amanda and Raffaele were not with him when Meredith Kercher was murdered.
1. I am not a lefty
2. I will not believe that until I see the evidence
3. I want proof the chain of evidence was respected
4. I want copies of all Italian police work
5. I want to see EVERY LAST PIECE OF EVIDENCE
6. I want independant lab testing of all evidence
Also ... it's interesting that the seemingly patriotic right .... is so willing to throw an American citizen to the wolves ... based on a verdict in a kangaroo court.
I smell a double standard.
Interesting! I've not heard anything more about this, but if I were Amanda's attorneys, I'd be filing court papers left and right.
Who elected you to the Italian judiciary? Why are you taking such interest in one of dozens of murder trials in Italy every year? Because she's American? Why are you questioning the case against her and not against Solecito, her co-defendant?
Where do you get off calling a high court in a developed EU country a "kangaroo court"? I have no doubt you would react pretty strongly to someone calling a US murder trial a "kangaroo court". In what way is this American citizens being "thrown to the wolves"? She's had probably better representation than 90% of others tried for murder in Italy due to the high-profile nature of the case.
Your attitude is insulting, pompous and xenophobic. And how about a word of condolence for the family of Meredith Kercher, the young Yorkshire student Knox and Solecito have now been shown, proved and convicted of murdering.
Andablue, have you read much about this case? If you read through this thread, you will see links to articles that show serious problems with the investigation that was conducted in this case. My original post talks about how I thought she was guilty. Several people here following the case closely laid out the problems. I can see why Vader calls it a kangaroo court.
I have been following it. It has been a major story right across Europe. There have been all the usual conspiracy theories and flat-out xenophobia that you might expect with a high-profile murder case involving a foreign national. The foreigners compatriots are always stirred up to believe that their son/daughter couldn't be guilty and that, because the trial is taking place abroad, there must be something wrong with the verdict.
You guys have to leave it to the Italian judiciary to do its job. There may or may not have been an imperfect investigation (frankly, when has there been a perfect one?) but they have an appeals system, just like the US. Insulting the Italian system simply because it's not the same as the US system is not on.
While I don't know if she's innocent or not, it seems quite clear that the proceedings which took place were not a fair to the defendant. They wanted to indict her and it seemed obvious that her nationality had a lot to do with why they wanted to indict her.
Had Knox committed her crime in the US, not one of you posters would be calling foul. Not one of you.
We have plenty of protections against unfair trials though. We'll even give fair civil trials to terrorist suspects.
We have plenty of protections against unfair trials though. We'll even give fair civil trials to terrorist suspects.
Where do you get off calling a high court in a developed EU country a "kangaroo court"?
Your attitude is insulting, pompous and xenophobic. And how about a word of condolence for the family of Meredith Kercher, the young Yorkshire student Knox and Solecito have now been shown, proved and convicted of murdering.
Her appeal is already in hand. I've no doubt any new evidence will be accorded the weight it deserves depending on the strength of the material. I just hope that the media hoopla around these claims and rumours don't further turn the knife in the wound of the Kercher family.
The Kercher family's loss is no reason to send an innocent girl to jail for twenty-six years.
I fully support this conviction. I watched the news reports on this trial. They showed Amanda Knox smiling and laughing in the court room. Excuse me? You're on trial for murder and you can't stop smiling? Sorry, but someone who was truly innocent, wouldn't be looking at these charges lightly, IMO. She cried when the verdict was read. Oh brother. I'm not sympathetic.
I'm still not hearing any sympathy, whether or not you believe Knox is innocent.
If she is, then she has an appeal, which will be heard by a different judge, before a different jury.
If she is found guilty again, will you accept the verdict?
If she is found not guilty, I'll be happy to accept your criticisms of the original trial in relation to the inadequacy of that original process. After all, that's the purpose of appeals, and the inevitable conclusion of any overturned verdict, no?
Of course I have sympathy for them. That goes without saying, unless you think I'm a monster.
My problem with people referencing the Kercher's pain is that they often use it as a pretext to condemn Amanda Knox.
There is no reason for it to have gone this far. The prosecutor and the Italian media crucified her because they were concerned with their reputation and ratings, respectively...
I'm certainly not suggesting you are a monster, but these things do not go without saying. The only sympathy I have encountered on this thread is for Knox.
I do regret the media circus that accompanied this trial.
There are analagous "show trials" in most countries that damage the ability of defendants to receive a fair trial. The media circus surrounding such high-profile cases make the operation of the justice system incredibly difficult. Think about the Louise Woodward and Phil Spector trials in the US, the Bulger case in the UK, Fritzl in Austria, Samu Carcaño in Spain.
With some of those cases it was found that media attention had affected the verdicts, some not. The only thing that can be said is that the media coverage cannot be allowed to drive the conclusions of the court, but that you cannot ethically judge that effect until the courts have been allowed to conclude their deliberations. Let's let that process conclude before drawing damning conclusions.
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