"It Worked"

[AdamT]

I have written this many times. Bring back all the 5oo billion we send to Oil Lords and all the jobs that go with it every yr back home by opening up our lands to exploration, approve Keystone,

We don't have enough oil to replace the imported stuff, and Keystone would create, AT MOST, a couple thousand jobs. What would you have the government do -- tell oil companies they can't import oil ... except from Canada? This makes a lot of sense. :roll:

give the states the option to opt of Obamacare,

They can already opt out of Medicaid expansion. AFAIK there's no evidence that opting out of other provisions would increase employment.

put a hold on the job killing EPA,

No thanks. I'd just assume be able to breath the air and drink the water.

institute a voucher system to generate an excellent education system,

Again, I've seen no evidence that voucher systems improve education. Here in Florida, we have provided for the creation of many charter schools. They don't do better than public schools.

kill job killing regulation on businesses.

Ah yes, the generic "job killing regulations". That's up there with "eliminate waste fraud and abuse" for top Republican talking points that never amount to a hill of beans in practice.

get the government out of the way of business.

Yeah, because one financial meltdown just wasn't enough. Allowing businesses to regulate themselves doesn't work.

This would be a starter for the first day.

Well that should reduce unemployment by something like 0.01% and bring with it the seeds of future catastrophe. Great start, Brownie.

And cut spending of our government that is out of control, Obama has increased the national debt by 6 trillion in just 4 yrs. And liberals suggest to pour money into an economy that is broke.

Spending is coming down, and will continue to fall. Revenue also needs to rise.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

uh, yes. specifically he gave them the flexibility to get rid of the work requirement.

Absolutely false, the states are allowed to create their own programs with the guidelines of:

As described below, however, HHS will only consider approving waivers relating to the work participation requirements that make changes intended to lead to more effective means of meeting the work goals of TANF.

Beyond that it is funny to see a conservative complaining about states having control over a portion of a fed program.

 

[AdamT]

Absolutely false, the states are allowed to create their own programs with the guidelines of:

As described below, however, HHS will only consider approving waivers relating to the work participation requirements that make changes intended to lead to more effective means of meeting the work goals of TANF.

Beyond that it is funny to see a conservative complaining about states having control over a portion of a fed program.

Well of course. They support Romneycare but not Obamacare ... because it should be left to the states. But when it comes to implementation of welfare to work programs ... it is a TRAVESTY to leave it to the states!! Another one for the you can't make this **** up file.

 

[Glideslope]

The ad just points to the fact that Romney is a ****ing liar. Here is what President Obama said:

"There’s only one way to grow our economy for the long run. That’s what we’re fighting for. That is what this election is about. That’s why I’m running for a second term as President. (Applause.)

I’m running because I believe you can’t reduce the deficit -- which is a serious problem, we’ve got to deal with it -- but we can’t reduce it without asking folks like me who have been incredibly blessed to give up the tax cuts that we’ve been getting for a decade. (Applause.) I'll cut out government spending that’s not working, that we can’t afford, but I’m also going to ask anybody making over $250,000 a year to go back to the tax rates they were paying under Bill Clinton, back when our economy created 23 million new jobs -- (applause) -- the biggest budget surplus in history and everybody did well.

Just like we’ve tried their plan, we tried our plan -- and it worked. That’s the difference. (Applause.) That’s the choice in this election. That’s why I’m running for a second term."​

Remarks by the President at a Campaign Event | The White House

What exactly "worked" with "their plan?" How many American's do you think would agree with Obama's assessment? Don't give me partisan blather.....I want to know how many American's sincerely feel that Barack Obama's policies have "worked" to their advantage as identified in their paychecks....as identified in their bank accounts....as identified in their food pantries......as identified in their own level of dignity in this period of perpetually high unemployment.

Seriously. You folks need to get off the Semantical Bulldozer™ and come back down to Earth where real, breathing human beings, (ie. your citizen counterparts) are suffering immensely under this President.

 

[clownboy]

President Obama's Mission Accomplished moment. :mrgreen:

 

[AdamT]

What exactly "worked" with "their plan?" How many American's do you think would agree with Obama's assessment? Don't give me partisan blather.....I want to know how many American's sincerely feel that Barack Obama's policies have "worked" to their advantage as identified in their paychecks....as identified in their bank accounts....as identified in their food pantries......as identified in their own level of dignity in this period of perpetually high unemployment.

Seriously. You folks need to get off the Semantical Bulldozer™ and come back down to Earth where real, breathing human beings, (ie. your citizen counterparts) are suffering immensely under this President.

Unfortunately determining whether or not it worked is above most Americans' pay grade. For Christ's sake, only 40% of Americans know that there are nine justices on the Supreme Court.

 

[Bronson]

Unfortunately determining whether or not it worked is above most Americans' pay grade. For Christ's sake, only 40% of Americans know that there are nine justices on the Supreme Court.

So everyone is just too stupid to realize that 15% Real Unemployment is awesome? :2wave:

 

[AdamT]

So everyone is just too stupid to realize that 15% Real Unemployment is awesome? :2wave:

Too stupid to realize that it's a lot more complicated than that, yes.

 

[joko104]

The president can say it worked on the basis of CBO reports and the reports of many independent economists who say that the stimulus shortened the recession, reduced unemployment, and boosted GDP growth. But, OTOH, one dude apparently had to declare bankruptcy, so....

You are off in your stating only 1 person filed bankruptcy by 1,410,652 for year 2011.

Over 4,500,000 have filed for bankruptcy since Obama became president. But we know you don't let facts get it your way.

 

[Bronson]

Too stupid to realize that it's a lot more complicated than that, yes.

Yes it's just SOOOO complicated that your messiah has accumulated 5 trillion in debt over 4 years, all of economic policies have failed, and he's sitting at 15% Real Unemployment

You are not a rational human being.

 

[AdamT]

You are off in your stating only 1 person filed bankruptcy by 1,410,652 for year 2011.

Over 4,500,000 have filed for bankruptcy since Obama became president. But we know you don't let facts get it your way.

Erm, I was referencing the guy in the video, but thanks for your Google mastery.

 

[AdamT]

Yes it's just SOOOO complicated that your messiah has accumulated 5 trillion in debt over 4 years, all of economic policies have failed, and he's sitting at 15% Real Unemployment

You are not a rational human being.

As I understand it, y'all believe the Messiah is all powerful, so I guess you could attribute it to Him ... but I don't go in for that line of bull.

 

[Bronson]

As I understand it, y'all believe the Messiah is all powerful, so I guess you could attribute it to Him ... but I don't go in for that line of bull.

Dodge noted

Now shoo :2wave:

 

[OpportunityCost]

Uh, no he didn't. What he did was give the states more flexibility in implementing the work requirements -- as every Republican governor including Mitt Romney requested in 2005.

Kind of like the more flexibility he will have with Medvedev after the election?

If the work requirements need changing it should be passed through congress, a President shouldnt alter passed law, his job is to administer the law once passed, not change it because he doesnt agree with it. Whether the law is right or wrong should determine how easy or difficult it is to change. If these requirements are so bad they ought to be pretty easy to change....shouldnt they?

 

[AdamT]

Kind of like the more flexibility he will have with Medvedev after the election?

If the work requirements need changing it should be passed through congress, a President shouldnt alter passed law, his job is to administer the law once passed, not change it because he doesnt agree with it. Whether the law is right or wrong should determine how easy or difficult it is to change. If these requirements are so bad they ought to be pretty easy to change....shouldnt they?

In other words, you don't really believe in states' rights. You think that everything should be dictated to them from Washington. Every single Republican governor in the United States disagreed with you in 2005.

 

[Joe51]

I assume you've noticed a lot of American jobs have been shipped to China. In order to get those jobs back, we need to change some of our environmental and labor laws so they are business friendly just like in China.

It's obvious what is necessary, but Obama won't do it. Of course, neither will Romney.

For reals? Downgrade ourselves to China's standards.... why? How much larger is our economy than theirs and how did it get that way? How does their currency stack up against ours? How much better are their citizens living compared to ours? What kind of rights does the average Chinese citizens have and how does that compare to us? You can't really believe that's necessary, can you?

We do need to take some steps to better compete in the world, but I would argue we should be pushing their standards up, not lowering ours. Exactly how far down do you want to take our country?

 

[Joe51]

$300 a month is fair wages for a blue collar union worker.

Then you should open a factory and hire some people. Paying those wages for an American made product should make you very wealthy. Good Luck staffing up!

 

[Joe51]

eww doubles... srry!

 

[Born Free]

Well that should reduce unemployment by something like 0.01% and bring with it the seeds of future catastrophe. Great start, Brownie.

Your plan is to follow Obama's failure off the cliff.

Spending is coming down, and will continue to fall.

Oh, really, have you not noticed Obama is adding another 1.3 trillion or so to our national debt this yr again. The only president in History to add to the national debt of over 1 trillion for each yr he was in office

Revenue also needs to rise.

Show me they can cut spending first, then we'll talk about taxes.

 

[Born Free]

In other words, you don't really believe in states' rights. You think that everything should be dictated to them from Washington. Every single Republican governor in the United States disagreed with you in 2005.

Nor do you, if you did believe in states rights then you would be against Obamacare.

 

[IndepCentristMA]

The CBO graph suggests we started climbing out of the Bush Trench almost immediately after Obama took office and the Stimulus was enacted.

I love how we are always so selective about the graphs we chose to show...

Here is a graph that shows the projected unemployment rates with and without the stimulus, then the actual...

So the ARRA was argued to lower the unemployment percentage... and instead the unemployment percentage went far higher after it was enacted than it was expected to if there were no stimulus...

Also, there's this graph... which shows how steep the workforce participation rate dropped with Obama's presidency

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Same chart, just showing the larger historical perspective of how bad this drop is...

Then, there's everyone's all-time favorite... The federal debt... and how it's effected the economy...

it looks like this... $16,000,000,000,000 and rising!!! (thank you stimulus for lowering the debt...)

If the stimulus had worked, we wouldn't be having a stagnant 8% unemployment rate, a slowed and stagnant GDP, and a massive debt...

Unless you're okay with instituting the Dole for 90% of the population... on a semi-permanent basis...

 

[cpwill]

Absolutely false, the states are allowed to create their own programs with the guidelines of:

As described below, however, HHS will only consider approving waivers relating to the work participation requirements that make changes intended to lead to more effective means of meeting the work goals of TANF.

"effective means of meeting the work goals of TANF", apparently includes attending PTA meetings, Weight Watchers, and doing chores around the house.

Beyond that it is funny to see a conservative complaining about states having control over a portion of a fed program.

If we're going to put this back in the hands of the states then we need to make it a bloc program or simply send it straight back to the states all-together and remove the federal government from the process. Letting States spend Federal money without control or recompense is neither good nor conservative governance.

 

[cpwill]

In other words, you don't really believe in states' rights. You think that everything should be dictated to them from Washington. Every single Republican governor in the United States disagreed with you in 2005.

And I agree with them. We should bloc grant both welfare and medicaid, and hold growth in expenditures in both to inflation.

 

[upsideguy]

I love how we are always so selective about the graphs we chose to show...

Here is a graph that shows the projected unemployment rates with and without the stimulus, then the actual...

So the ARRA was argued to lower the unemployment percentage... and instead the unemployment percentage went far higher after it was enacted than it was expected to if there were no stimulus...

Also, there's this graph... which shows how steep the workforce participation rate dropped with Obama's presidency

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Same chart, just showing the larger historical perspective of how bad this drop is...

Then, there's everyone's all-time favorite... The federal debt... and how it's effected the economy...

it looks like this... $16,000,000,000,000 and rising!!! (thank you stimulus for lowering the debt...)

If the stimulus had worked, we wouldn't be having a stagnant 8% unemployment rate, a slowed and stagnant GDP, and a massive debt...

Unless you're okay with instituting the Dole for 90% of the population... on a semi-permanent basis...

I used selective graphs? I posted actual results, which is the way most people talk about such things. Getting twisted off in some type of budget to actual comparison three years after the fact is the unconventional (selective use of graphs) way to talk about such things.

Given, however, you are such a purist on budgets to actuals, you truly must have lost all faith in the Regressives. After all, when we were all sold the bill of goods that is commonly referred to as the Bush tax cuts of 2001/03, we were told they would lead to a COMPLETE payoff of the national debt by the year 2010. If I recall, the national debt was over $10T in 2010. They kind of missed that one. I dare say that missing a budget forecast by $10T has to be the biggest budget bust in the history of civilization.

Sorry, but missing a projection of unemployment by a couple of percentage points is downright accuracy compared to the largest budget bust of all-time.

The Man Behind Paul Ryan's Budget Plan Got the Tax Cuts Wrong, Too - Tina Dupuy - The Atlantic

Heritage Foundation Clings To Myths To Defend Bush Tax Cuts | Political Correction (now I appreciate this might require you to slip into the back room of smut, but no one is watching. The link, mid-document dated 4-27-01, is the Heritage Foundation Study of the Economic Impact of Bush's Tax Relief Act. It is 100% pure right wing folly, un-retouched by Media Matter hands)

Perhaps you would like to rethink your line of argument as this one sure does not look like a winner for you.

BTW... the $16T was largely the result Republican malfeasance. You can't raise spending, start wars and cut taxes and expect to do anything but increase deficits and therefore debt. Debt to GNP consistently goes up in Republican adminstrations and down once the adult's take charge. Unfortunately, this time the bar tab was too big.

 

[Moot]

We know what didn't work and thats trickle down economics. We know Keynisian worked because it helped to create the middle class. So damn right it worked and it's the only thing that is keeping this country from falling apart at the seams.

Romney is basing his entire campaign on taking Obama out of context and not telling us a thing about what he would do to create jobs or turn this country around. He's a fraud.