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It Was Personal Between Floyd & Chauvin

Many cops have killed many victims in the light of day with scores of witnesses. Not sure of your point. Retarded cops are a dime a dozen.

I agree that there are many stupid cops. Poor screening or just the fact that most cops only have a high school education and then a few weeks of vocational training before hitting the street to learn the bad habits and attitudes of other potentially already jaded cops..... including a lack of accountability by being protected by union contracts.

But here was my point on the Chauvin speculation: proving motive is not an element of the crime of murder. It may be useful in indicating what the state of mind of the killer was when the act was done, or being planned, but motive alone will not convict anyone. So any "history" is just circumstantial until you can tie it to the act. A women ends up murdered and detectives will usually look at the boyfriend or husband first--- of course, there is a "history" there, maybe even a troubled history. But you still have to prove that elements of the crime and a JURY has to agree. Don't believe me? OJ SIMPSON....
 
But not for reasons of race , but reasons of dirty nightclub drug dealings they were both involved in .
Big difference .

See post #31.

The employee recanted his story.
 
See post #31.

The employee recanted his story.

The liberal socialist powers have already killed at least 20 people, destroyed thousands of businesses & livelihoods all because of a false narrative they have been pushing from the start .
But the facts will be born out in this no matter how many times they try and suppress them.
The false racist narrative will fold just as quickly as the club owner did with her non-sensical answers as to why she would keep a white racist who on the one hand she says caused nothing but racial incidents at her minority based nightclub , yet kept him gainfully employed there for 17 years while at the same time George Floyd , a black man , was fired after only one year ?
See that is the thing about stinking lies .
They never go away and they only continue to stink up the courtroom more .
Add to this fact that the other 3 officers charged in this are never going to take the fall for Chauvin and the race narrative when they know exactly about Chauvin's nightclub activities and the back and forth threats between him and Floyd.
 
The liberal socialist powers have already killed at least 20 people, destroyed thousands of businesses & livelihoods all because of a false narrative they have been pushing from the start .
But the facts will be born out in this no matter how many times they try and suppress them.
The false racist narrative will fold just as quickly as the club owner did with her non-sensical answers as to why she would keep a white racist who on the one hand she says caused nothing but racial incidents at her minority based nightclub , yet kept him gainfully employed there for 17 years while at the same time George Floyd , a black man , was fired after only one year ?
See that is the thing about stinking lies .
They never go away and they only continue to stink up the courtroom more .
Add to this fact that the other 3 officers charged in this are never going to take the fall for Chauvin and the race narrative when they know exactly about Chauvin's nightclub activities and the back and forth threats between him and Floyd.

All that is just blather.

See post #31, the employee recanted his story.
 
The liberal socialist powers have already killed at least 20 people, destroyed thousands of businesses & livelihoods all because of a false narrative they have been pushing from the start .
But the facts will be born out in this no matter how many times they try and suppress them.
The false racist narrative will fold just as quickly as the club owner did with her non-sensical answers as to why she would keep a white racist who on the one hand she says caused nothing but racial incidents at her minority based nightclub , yet kept him gainfully employed there for 17 years while at the same time George Floyd , a black man , was fired after only one year ?
See that is the thing about stinking lies .
They never go away and they only continue to stink up the courtroom more .
Add to this fact that the other 3 officers charged in this are never going to take the fall for Chauvin and the race narrative when they know exactly about Chauvin's nightclub activities and the back and forth threats between him and Floyd.

All that is just blather.

See post #31, the employee recanted his story.

The double talking Nightclub owner was persuaded to " recant " as well .

Why do you think so many minorities are " recanting " what they first said ?
 
So after detailing several incidents between Chauvin and Floyd at the nightclub the guy realizes it was all a case of accidentally mistaken serendipity ?
Wow, yeah , that sure sounds like it will hold up under further scrutiny . lol
 
So after detailing several incidents between Chauvin and Floyd at the nightclub the guy realizes it was all a case of accidentally mistaken serendipity ?
Wow, yeah , that sure sounds like it will hold up under further scrutiny . lol

You didn't even bother to read it until it was pointed out to you twice...
 
It's pretty damned difficult to be inferior to Trump: unless, of course, one is attempting to rationalize/minimalize Trump's insane proclamation about murdering someone on 5th Ave. in NYC.

A joke is not a proclamation. If it was, Kathy Griffin could be arrested for inciting murder.
 
I bet Trump supporters thought it was especially funny he thinks they are so dumb and gullible that they would still support him even if shot someone. I guess they like being at the butt of the joke?

I guess they could be insulted if they took him literally. I see no evidence that any of them did.
 
So after detailing several incidents between Chauvin and Floyd at the nightclub the guy realizes it was all a case of accidentally mistaken serendipity ?
Wow, yeah , that sure sounds like it will hold up under further scrutiny . lol

Pinney just said he confused two different people. It could happen.
 
Pinney just said he confused two different people. It could happen.

Just like the minority nightclub owner was mistaken about keeping a rabid racist who caused nothing but racist incidents gainfully employed at her minority nightclub for 17 years. Lol
It was just a mistake .
Yeah, that's the ticket !
 
You know.

"Hoax."

you are blaming Trump for the people who died from the viral disease that came here from China and had a particularly severe impact on the Democrat run State of NY and the Democrat run city of NYC?
 
you are blaming Trump for the people who died from the viral disease that came here from China and had a particularly severe impact on the Democrat run State of NY and the Democrat run city of NYC?

Playing stupid is unconvincing.
 
Playing stupid is unconvincing.

lying about Trump and pretending he is responsible for viral deaths in a city run by his political enemies, is just plain tertiary stage TDS and Dishonest
 
Former co-worker of George Floyd and Derek Chauvin claims they 'bumped heads' in the past

So what do you think was the reason these two hated each other as reported ?
And before you answer think about this genius , why would a racist cop who continually caused racist problems at a minority nightclub be kept gainfully employed there for 17 years, while Floyd , a black man , was handed his walking papers from the same minority nightclub after only one year ?

Former co-worker says. Thats all we have.
 
I still delight in seeing cops get ruined ;)
 
Desperate, not "retarded"
Chauvin believed he was at real risk for going to jail if Floyd followed through with informing on his drug related activities at the nightclub awash in drugs, which is a pretty good assumption.
Jail is virtually a death sentence for cops .
What you see Chauvin doing is in pure desperation to avoid going to jail .

Like I said before, that would be a really retarded move to murder someone in front of witnesses. If Chauvin was that "desperate" he could have tracked down George Floyd and gotten to him where there were fewer witnesses and rolled the dice that there were no cameras or witnesses.

Your assumption just doesn't add up. A CITIZEN called the police on Floyd over an alleged forged $20 bill. That is what got that party started. So that factors in how? Chauvin set that up to have the shopkeeper call the police dispatch, and then the police dispatch assigned Chauvin to the call?

Come on, think about that for a minute. Your theory would involve too many other people to have been what happened. I for one do not believe in many conspiracy theories like that, especially criminal conspiracies. Not since the old school Italian Mafia were there criminal associates where everyone kept their mouths shut. Today just about anyone would rat out anyone else to save their own skin.

It was like that with the defense "theory" in the OJ Simpson case. The defense would have us believe that two separate sets of detective teams from two different divisions who had NEVER met each other before, along with another half dozen crime unit technicians (one just a few weeks on the job) ALL stood out front of Nicole Simpson's house over her body in the early morning hours and as a group conspired to frame OJ Simpson.

Nah... that never happens. In general terms you can't get 10 people to agree on where to go to lunch together, much less risk life in prison to frame an ex-NFL player.


It may come as a surprise to you but desperate drug criminals which is what Chauvin is are not always the most logical moral thinkers .
Chauvin figured this was going to be Floyd or him at this point.

You are speculating. Provide more facts.


He thought whatever punishment came from an excessive force charge was going to be better than conviction for running a drug/ extortion/protection racket in uniform .
Once he put his knee to Floyd's neck he was in for a penny in for a pound .

It wasn't excessive force, it was a murder. A murder with witnesses around. So your theory doesn't hold water. Chauvin murdered Floyd he didn't just rough him up.

Nobody said it was not murder, and you can't show me where I did ?

I'm confused, I always have said it was a murder (2nd degree... implied malice).

In fact I even upgraded it to , " PREMEDITATED " murder .

You are claiming with your theory of possible past association that the premeditation and planning occurred before the response to the citizen calling the police on Floyd. that Chauvin I guess was laying in wait for this supposed call that was going to come. I guess that might work, but only in Hollywood movie. A story line I suppose where Chauvin somehow planted forged $20 bills in such a way that Floyd would then go out an unknowingly pass them and then Chauvin would catch the radio call and then be there using the police call as a pretext to commit FIRST DEGREE murder (express malice).

That would be a stretch I think.


There is a ginormous difference between a race related murder & an ongoing nightclub drug sales related dispute/ murder between people is the issue.

Murder is murder. Chauvin committed 2nd degree murder and the premeditation occurred within the 8 1/2 minutes where it was clear to any reasonable person that the force was now lethal, and Floyd was in fact dying. This didn't require some prior plan to be classified a murder. Now if it turns out there was a history, and Chauvin had some animus directed at Floyd on this chance meet-up around a dispatch to an alleged crime, then that might certainly weigh in on the Federal civil rights case that will surely follow the state murder case. That Chauvin's malice toward Floyd was based on Floyd's race.
 
This ain't brain surgery .
No public establishment you can name is more rife with drugs & drug sales than a Nightclub .
We have burned the country down, killed other people, destroyed countless live over a stinking drug dispute
[emphasis added by bubba to enter the contest]

the local pharmacy

what did i win?!
 
What if the store owner who called the cops was beneficially involved in some kind of police protection racket? What if Floyd were set up?
 
The most backassward makes-no-sense protesting that can not POSSIBLY have anything to do with George Floyd's death since what Chauvin did was totally prohibited and he and the 3 other officers are basically charged with deliberate murder or deliberately aiding in deliberate murder, denied bond and each facing 40 years in prison.

So the protesting is over what?

1. Ordinary law-abiding citizens fear and dislike gangs. But why? We usually catch the gangbangers that are out killing people and we lock them up. Why think there's anything wrong with the gangs who are still out walking the streets--right? No, wrong. Those gangs have shown themselves disposed toward killing. Similarly, the police have killed enough unarmed people of color--black and brown, male and female--on suspicion of petty infractions, that it's little different. It isn't just one rotten apple here or there. It's the entire culture in policing that needs to change.

2. We've seen plenty of those cops charged with murder in circumstances in which, had they been citizens making a citizens arrest, it would have been open-and-shut life in prison. But instead, because they are police and because we have screwed-up laws about what police can and cannot do, the juries let them off. That, too, needs to change.
 
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