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It Should Only Be Against The Law To Do Bad Stuff

The reason I'm not able to make points is because people don't listen. That's the problem with people, both on this forum and in the rest of the world, people just don't listen enough. People don't listen to what I say on the forum, or to put it more accurately since we're talking about a message board forum, people don't read or they don't pay attention to what they're reading when they read my posts.
We do listen. You're just not really saying anything. Your overall point is "only bad things should be against the law," except this is how everyone already thinks. There's just different ideas of what "bad" is.
 
Something should only be against the law if it's bad. What I mean by that is stuff such as rape and murder, such stuff is of course bad and people who do such stuff are bad people so rape and murder should of course be against the law, which it is and its good that such stuff is against the law. But you should not get in trouble for doing something that isn't bad.
Now what's not bad? Owning an AR-15 style rifle is an example of something that's not bad. Just owning such a rifle does not make you a bad person but rather what you use it for determines whether or not you're doing anything bad. If you use it to shoot innocent people then yes, you're using it for a bad purpose but if you're using it for stuff in which no innocent people are being harmed then you're not doing anything bad. The bottom line is that owning an AR rifle in and of itself is not bad and does not make you a bad person.
So although owning an AR-15 style rifle is not bad in and of itself there are nonetheless laws in place that might make it illegal to do so depending on your jurisdiction. Depending on the town, state, country, ect. that you live in owning such a rifle might or might not be against the law.
Having consensual sex with somebody where money is exchanged is not bad, doing such stuff does not make you a bad person, but in many places it can be against the law because its grounds for prostitution which is illegal in many places.
Those are just some examples of stuff that isn't bad but that can't be illegal. Only bad stuff should be illegal but stuff that isn't bad shouldn't be illegal.


It should be totally legal for folks to simply own collections of nuclear warheads, bioweapons, and the like.

They should only face legal consequences if they intentionally detonate the nuke or release a plague upon mankind.

[ accidental nuking and plague releasing should only be a tort. victims can sort that shit out with the detonator / plague rat in the courts later ]

Merely collecting nukes and plagues should be totally none of the govt's business.
Possession of these things should not be regulated by the govt at all.

Let the Free Market sort it out
 
It should be totally legal for folks to simply own collections of nuclear warheads, bioweapons, and the like.

They should only face legal consequences if they intentionally detonate the nuke or release a plague upon mankind.

[ accidental nuking and plague releasing should only be a tort. victims can sort that shit out with the detonator / plague rat in the courts later ]

Merely collecting nukes and plagues should be totally none of the govt's business.
Possession of these things should not be regulated by the govt at all.

Let the Free Market sort it out
Is this a joke if its not a crime to own a nuke but detonate a nuke how do you go to jail if everyones dead?
 
Only according to the current interpretation of that constitutional opinion.
The only valid interpretations of Heller and Bruen are interpretations that directly comply with Heller and Bruen.


Part of the reason they are called opinions is they are not set in stone. A subsequent scotus could reverse the opinion.
In other words, it is important to always vote for conservatives. Progressives hate America and will appoint judges who will allow our civil liberties to be wantonly violated.


Thats true. Might be a work around though until scotus overturns the current 2A opinion,
"Directly violating court rulings" is not a work around when those courts prevent you from violating people's civil liberties.

The correct response is to stop maliciously trying to violate people's civil liberties for no reason.


Not as dangerous as an ar-15.
That is incorrect. Ordinary hunting rifles like the AR-15 are not particularly dangerous. Fentanyl is far more deadly.


Lots of people take fentanyl and suffer no permanent damage. Millions actually.
Maybe under the direct supervision of a doctor. Taken recreationally it is extremely dangerous and deadly.


Not so for people shot with an AR.
The brand of a hunting rifle has no bearing on how dangerous it is. People shot by a different brand of hunting rifle would suffer identical wounds.
 
Would you reconsider your position here if, God forbid, someone used an AR-15 to murder the rest of your family?
Why would the brand of the gun matter?


How do you feel about unrestricted thorough background checks,
I am willing to trade universal background checks for concealed carry reciprocity.


red flag laws,
Violation of due process.

I might be okay with yellow flag laws though.


and wait periods regarding certain gun sales?
People who support waiting periods should be sentenced to at least 30 years in prison.


Why a military-style weapon of war in society a good idea?
Because there is no justification for outlawing the style of a weapon.


;)
Now you are not being honest.
That is incorrect. His post is factually accurate.


At the very least it is overkill (pardon the phrase).
That is incorrect. Ordinary hunting rifles like the AR-15 are not overkill.


It is the street legal version of that weapon of war,
Being street legal means that it is not a weapon of war.


and with a bump stock, it's just about there, or close enough for carnage.
I am willing to trade restrictions on bump stocks for a repeal of the Hughes Amendment.


And tell the dead children of Uvalde it's not a weapon of war.
Bring them here and I will.


The wounds they produce are certainly war-like, especially on children. :rolleyes:
The wounds would be deadlier if they were "civilian hunting rifle" like.


Well, it's just a phrase that is used in its description.
An inaccurate phrase that makes the description inaccurate.


It's designed like a war weapon with limitations,
Not like a war weapon. Those limitations make it quite different from a war weapon.


The ammo fired from it does just as much damage just a bit more slowly.
I'm not sure what this means, but it is almost certainly incorrect.
 
If you want to talk about drugs yes that would be something else that the possession of isn't inherently bad. In some states the possession and use of marijuana has been legalized and while I don't use marijuana myself and have no desire to, I think it should be legalized because its not bad to own or use it but if you get sick from using it you should not receive any government aid to deal with the sickness you acquired from its use. Same thing with FenBuffalo.
So if you blow your foot off with your AR15, you shouldn't receive any government aid to help with your disability? If you wreck your car, break your neck and end up a paraplegic, same way?
 
No, it doesn't. An AR 15 is legal to purchase in every jurisdiction. WTF makes you think it isn't? The way you carry may be regulated, but the purchase and ownership is not.

Ahem...my AR15 is illegal for me to sell, or for anyone to buy except for a FFL who transfers it out of state. Nor can I buy another to replace it.
 
This should be fine too, right? As long as no one is getting hurt?

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An actual threat might be different from you feeling threatened. Other people are not bound by your irrational feelings.
 
No, it doesn't. An AR 15 is legal to purchase in every jurisdiction.
That is incorrect. Some leftist states unconstitutionally ban them because they hate Americans. Washington state for example.


WTF makes you think it isn't?
Knowledge of the things that the left does to maliciously violate people's civil liberties.


The way you carry may be regulated, but the purchase and ownership is not.
Not in some leftist states.


You can buy an AR 15, they are not outlawed in MD. Doesn't matter how it is chambered, it is still an AR15.
Maryland maliciously outlaws flash suppressors and adjustable stocks for no reason.
 
Only according to the current interpretation of that constitutional opinion. Part of the reason they are called opinions is they are not set in stone. A subsequent scotus could reverse the opinion.



Thats true. Might be a work around though until scotus overturns the current 2A opinion,

Not as dangerous as an ar-15. Lots of people take fentanyl and suffer no permanent damage. Millions actually. Not so for people shot with an AR.

10s of millions use AR15 rifles with no adverse consequences.

You not-so-subtlety switched to using an inherently and directly harmful action when referencing the rifle.
 
Why does it matter about saying you went to war the point is trump wasnt in one either.
Because that coward Walz pretended that he had gone to war. Stolen valor.

Mr. Trump never pretended to have been a soldier.


But be honest about your post you talk about it not being a weapon of war but then you support here that you would allow military and full automatics to be available to civilians.
Im not sure what to say i think fully automatic weapons are too far you already got alot of states with conceal carry without a permit how much more do people want for gun rights?
The Second Amendment does say that people have the right to have military weapons. Nothing wrong with upholding our Bill of Rights.
 
"Manufacturers constantly work to find loopholes so they can still sell the same deadly weapons despite the law" yeah man sick mic drop
That is incorrect. The fact that the gun control movement maliciously pushes for laws that have no effect other than to violate people's civil liberties for no reason has nothing to do with gun manufacturers.
 
I don’t but I’m not a lawyer or a legal expert who is opposed to the current interpretation of the 2A. If I was I wouldn’t broadcast it.

They are a fact of life in our world.


73,838 died of fent. Out of how many took it?
Most of the people shot with guns suffered permanent damage

Most of the people who used guns, didn't suffer any damage at all.
 
So we can just define all ammunition as "destructive devices" and require anyone who wants to fire a gun a pay $200 per bullet and report its firing to the BATFE, yes? That would be Constitutional?

Sure. We could also define all motor vehicles as such, using the examples of the Wisconsin Parade Driver and the Nice Mass Murderer.
 
Where does the Constitution say that "destructive devices" aren't protected by the 2nd Amendment?
In the second half, where it mentions the people's right to keep and bear arms.

The people's right to keep and bear arms has always been about the sorts of weapons commonly referred to as small arms.


So we can just define all ammunition as "destructive devices" and require anyone who wants to fire a gun a pay $200 per bullet and report its firing to the BATFE, yes? That would be Constitutional?
It would not be. The right to have the arm includes the right to have ammunition for the arm.


How is arbitrarily defining explosives as "destructive devices" not an "end run around the 2A"?
Where does the 2nd Amendment say anything about "destructive devices"?
The people's right to keep and bear arms has always been about the sorts of weapons commonly referred to as small arms.


So you admit that just because something is an explosive that doesn’t mean it can be arbitrarily unconstitutionally defined as a “destructive device” and restricted?
Therefore any citizen should have no restrictions on the possession and use of any arm. Howitzers with cluster munitions shells, shoulder fired SAMs, nuclear weapons, the government can’t restrict the private ownership of any of them.
Those are not small arms.
 
i know he got in trouble for drunk driving im not saying he didnt
i still think hes a nice person regardless.

Im just talking about being drunk while outside and not in a car.

"Nice person" is what you're being convinced to think. I doubt you know him.
 
How about building bombs? That should not be illegal since bombs are not "bad in and of themselves" right?
Setting aside the fact that the people's right to keep and bear arms doesn't apply to bombs, there is the fact that bombs are actually dangerous.

There is nothing dangerous about the brand name of a gun, or about the style of a gun, or about pistol grips and flash suppressors.
 
We are in agreement here.

Well, it's just a phrase that is used in its description. It's designed like a war weapon with limitations, and those limitations could be lifted at some point (won't the streets be interesting if that happens). The ammo fired from it does just as much damage just a bit more slowly.
I've been on the fence about buying one, but if Trump wins, there's no doubt that I will buy one.

Welcome to the Gun Cult!
 
It should be totally legal for folks to simply own collections of nuclear warheads, bioweapons, and the like.

They should only face legal consequences if they intentionally detonate the nuke or release a plague upon mankind.

[ accidental nuking and plague releasing should only be a tort. victims can sort that shit out with the detonator / plague rat in the courts later ]

Merely collecting nukes and plagues should be totally none of the govt's business.
Possession of these things should not be regulated by the govt at all.

Let the Free Market sort it out
In addition to the fact that they are not even covered by the people's right to keep and bear arms, nuclear weapons and biological weapons are an actual danger to society.

The brand name of a gun, the style of a gun, and pistol grips and flash suppressors, are no danger to society.
 
It should be totally legal for folks to simply own collections of nuclear warheads, bioweapons, and the like.

They should only face legal consequences if they intentionally detonate the nuke or release a plague upon mankind.

[ accidental nuking and plague releasing should only be a tort. victims can sort that shit out with the detonator / plague rat in the courts later ]

Merely collecting nukes and plagues should be totally none of the govt's business.
Possession of these things should not be regulated by the govt at all.

Let the Free Market sort it out

It has. Anyone with the means and motivation to have one does...or will very soon.
 
Is this a joke if its not a crime to own a nuke but detonate a nuke how do you go to jail if everyones dead?
I think it was just sarcasm and the poster didn't understand that the people's right to keep and bear arms doesn't apply to nukes and bioweapons, and didn't understand that there is no justification for outlawing the brand and/or style of a gun.
 
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