It finally happened in my hometown

[DebateChallenge]

There is no country on earth that has lax gun laws and low gun deaths due to long sentences for criminals. It cant be done

Because nobody has tried.

There is no reason why, here in the USA, we can't have long sentences for criminals who commit gun crimes.

 

[vegas giants]

Because nobody has tried.

There is no reason why, here in the USA, we can't have long sentences for criminals who commit gun crimes.

It has never been done but you believe in miracles? Low gun deaths have been accomplished by other countries. The formula is clear.


Effective gun control with rule of law

 

[AtlantaAdonis]

That's so stupid I am laughing at it. intelligent people understand this country was full of guns long before I was born and even the most frantic of gun haters cannot change that. So rather than whining about gun owners being responsible for a societal norm-that has existed over 200 years-(and of course what really motivates people like you is that you hate the politics of those of us who support gun rights for honest citizens), why not do something a bit more constructive.

 

[TurtleDude]

Pro gun states have far more retirees and veterans-groups that have higher rates of suicide. Trying to lump suicides with homicides is silly.

Young black males commit over half the murders in the USA. Young black males are not a group known for high suicide rates. White retired military veterans over the age of 50 have among the highest rates of suicide. Not very high rates of homicide.

 

[vegas giants]

The numbers dont lie

 

[AtlantaAdonis]

Pro gun states have far more retirees and veterans-groups that have higher rates of suicide. Trying to lump suicides with homicides is silly.

Young black males commit over half the murders in the USA. Young black males are not a group known for high suicide rates. White retired military veterans over the age of 50 have among the highest rates of suicide. Not very high rates of homicide.

Yes, our streets are dangerous because of all those scary dark people running around. And here, we have the main reason the gun huggers want their guns. They're not going to fight the federal government, they fear a country becoming more multicultural and less white.

 

[vegas giants]

Yes, our streets are dangerous because of all those scary dark people running around. And here, we have the main reason the gun huggers want their guns. They're not going to fight the federal government, they fear a country becoming more multicultural and less white.

The "blame the black people " argument is getting so old

 

[AGENT J]

Turtle Dude, more people have died so you and the rest of the gun-hugging Bubbas and Jim Bobs can have your silly "freedumb" to feel like a bad*** with your silly guns. What do you have to say for yourself?

this post makes no rational and logical sense

 

[ttwtt78640]

Yes, our streets are dangerous because of all those scary dark people running around. And here, we have the main reason the gun huggers want their guns. They're not going to fight the federal government, they fear a country becoming more multicultural and less white.

A lot of "gun control" (e.g. BGC and "red flag" laws) is largely (if not entirely) dependent on knowing who, among those allowed to roam freely among us, poses such a high risk that they must be prevented (at any cost to current gun owners?) from gaining possession of a gun. That mindset places the additional enforcement burden (costs) on law abiding gun owners for the refusal to keep these known to be extremely dangerous folks locked up (a cost which would also fall on non-gun owners).

Our streets are more dangerous because a small subset of violent convicted criminals (and those adjudged to be a danger to themselves and/or others) are allowed multiple "second" chances to roam freely among us and claim more victims.

 

[TurtleDude]

Yes, our streets are dangerous because of all those scary dark people running around. And here, we have the main reason the gun huggers want their guns. They're not going to fight the federal government, they fear a country becoming more multicultural and less white.

Interesting view there. it has always been rich whites who have tried to deprive blacks of owning guns.

 

[TurtleDude]

this post makes no rational and logical sense

The anti gun advocates are often conflicted between pretending it is crime control that they want, when in reality, attacking conservative voters is their real goal

 

[DebateChallenge]

It has never been done but you believe in miracles? Low gun deaths have been accomplished by other countries. The formula is clear.


Effective gun control with rule of law

Just because you've got low gun deaths doesn't mean people don't get their lives cut short by other means.

And yes I do believe in miracles to some extent. Having long sentences for people who commit gun crimes could cut down not only gun deaths but all other forms of homicide as well. It might not be miraculous, but there is no reason we shouldn't try it and see how it works.

And yes, I do believe in effective gun control, and by that I mean effective enforcement of the gun laws we've already got. Laws are no good if they aren't enforced.

Making more gun laws will unfairly infringe on good people's gun rights.

As Benjamin Franklin put it, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

[DebateChallenge]

Mother Jones, a very reliable source, NOT!!!

But even if you do want to go by the Mother Jones source, you are aware, I assume that most gun deaths are suicides.

Making guns harder to get will not reduce suicides, it will only change the method.

On the other hand, working on suicide prevention will reduce all suicides including those done with guns.

 

[DebateChallenge]

The numbers dont lie

Depends on what source the numbers are from.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Yes, our streets are dangerous because of all those scary dark people running around. And here, we have the main reason the gun huggers want their guns. They're not going to fight the federal government, they fear a country becoming more multicultural and less white.

On the contrary if you go to a gun shop, at least from my experience, black customers are treated with as much courtesy as white customers.

Its the left who fears armed black people.

 

[Renae]

It is not just my point--many others have said the same thing

Why America Is Prone to Mass Shootings

(this is an anti gun source btw)

here also seems to be a copycat effect by mass shooters. In a study published in July, researchers reported that school shootings and mass shootings occur in clusters. On average, each school shooting inspires 0.22 other school shootings, and each mass shooting inspires 0.3 additional mass shootings. (The fractions simply represent that not every mass shooting will lead to another. For every five school shootings, the researchers said, one is inspired by a past school shooting.)

Absent a sudden shift in gun policy, decreasing the notoriety of mass killers may be the best defense. Media reports should focus on the victims and not name the killers, Muscari said.

"Don't give them their fame," she said.


The media should stop making school shooters, like the Parkland perpetrator, famous - Vox


n ABC News investigation in 2014 found that in the 14 years after Columbine, at least 17 school shooters — and 36 other students who threatened rampages that were averted —directly cited the Columbine shooting or its perpetrators as partial motivation for the attack. In short, making perpetrators famous has consequences.

I still think the rise in shootings and other aberrant behavior can be traced back to the over prescription of antidepressants.

 

[DebateChallenge]

The "blame the black people " argument is getting so old

Yes I know. A typical argument of the gun grabbers.

 

[TurtleDude]

I still think the rise in shootings and other aberrant behavior can be traced back to the over prescription of antidepressants.

That is certainly a better argument than the crap the anti gun left spews about legal firearms ownership.

 

[vegas giants]

Yes I know. A typical argument of the gun grabbers.

You're a gun grabber?

Wow. Not me

 

[vegas giants]

I still think the rise in shootings and other aberrant behavior can be traced back to the over prescription of antidepressants.

Nah...its the introduction of Twitter. That must be it

 

[vegas giants]

Depends on what source the numbers are from.

No it doesn't

 

[vegas giants]

Just because you've got low gun deaths doesn't mean people don't get their lives cut short by other means.

And yes I do believe in miracles to some extent. Having long sentences for people who commit gun crimes could cut down not only gun deaths but all other forms of homicide as well. It might not be miraculous, but there is no reason we shouldn't try it and see how it works.

And yes, I do believe in effective gun control, and by that I mean effective enforcement of the gun laws we've already got. Laws are no good if they aren't enforced.

Making more gun laws will unfairly infringe on good people's gun rights.

As Benjamin Franklin put it, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

There is nowhere on planet earth your plan works.

 

[DebateChallenge]

You're a gun grabber?

Wow. Not me

Nope, I don't blame black people.

 

[DebateChallenge]

No it doesn't

Alright, in that case I can make up my own numbers and say the source is me, that shouldn't be a problem if the source doesn't matter :lol:

 

[DebateChallenge]

There is nowhere on planet earth your plan works.

Because it hasn't been tried.