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Israeli troops kill 6 Palestinians

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Israeli troops kill 6 Palestinians - CNN.com

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091226/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/world/middleeast/27mideast.html



The IDF blamed the men for the killing Thursday night of Israeli settler Meir Avshalom Hai, who lived in the settlement of Shavei Shomron in the northern West Bank. The 54-year-old father of seven was shot and killed in his car near the entrance to the settlement, said Col. Avi Gill of the Israeli military.
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The more the merrier.
Terrorists are not Palestinians, they have no nationality.
 
Hmmmmm, one could just as easily entitled the thread "six Palestinian terrorists kill an Israeli settler".
 
bub said:
I heard 3 of them were going to work (illegally?) in Israel, but the 3 others seems to have been real terrorists, I read they had M-16's on them
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3 were terrorists who have murdered an Israeli settler on a highroad during the night, shot him a bullet in the head while driving next to him.

The other 3 were Gazans that have tried to sneak into Israel and were spotted by the IDF forces.

The IDF has applauded the Abbas' PLO for the impressive way they were functioning after the terrorist attack.
The PLO's security forces have contributed a lot to the investigation of the attack and the location of the terrorists.
 
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Apocalypse said:
3 were terrorists who have murdered an Israeli settler on a highroad during the night, shot him a bullet in the head while driving next to him.
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good riddance for these 3 ones

The other 3 were Gazans that have tried to sneak into Israel and were spotted by the IDF forces.
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and we don't know if they were terrorists or not. I read that a few weeks ago, the IDF had already shot an Israeli who was trying to sneak into Gaza. Don't they make warning shots?
 
bub said:
and we don't know if they were terrorists or not. I read that a few weeks ago, the IDF had already shot an Israeli who was trying to sneak into Gaza. Don't they make warning shots?
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Gaza is an hostile area controlled by Hamas.
For that reason, there is a big focus on that border by the Israeli security department, and the procedure is a serious one.
The Israeli guy that was trying to climb on the Gaza border fence and was shot by the IDF was suffering from mental issues.
 
Apocalypse said:
Gaza is an hostile area controlled by Hamas.
For that reason, there is a big focus on that border by the Israeli security department, and the procedure is a serious one.
The Israeli guy that was trying to climb on the Gaza border fence and was shot by the IDF was suffering from mental issues.
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and isn't it a bit too tough?
 
bub said:
and isn't it a bit too tough?
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Nope, preventing terrorists from sneaking into Israeli territories is a top priority.
The nation's defense starts with its borders.
 
Apocalypse said:
Nope, preventing terrorists from sneaking into Israeli territories is a top priority.
The nation's defense starts with its borders.
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I know but that doesn't give them the right to shoot people on sight, especially when they run away (like the Israeli guy who was entering Gaza)! Do you know what procedure do they use? (do they make warning shots for example, or do they open fire only when they're shot at?)
 
bub said:
I know but that doesn't give them the right to shoot people on sight, especially when they run away (like the Israeli guy who was entering Gaza)! Do you know what procedure do they use? (do they make warning shots for example, or do they open fire only when they're shot at?)
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They first vocally warn the person, then make warning shots, and then shoot to neutralize.
There are of course a lot of cases when the infiltrators are armed and are opening fire on the forces, and in those cases, the IDF forces shoot to kill.
 
Hamas condemns Israeli escalation, vows to reactivate armed resistanc


On Saturday predawn, an Israeli warplane fired one missile at four Palestinians who were trying to infiltrate into Israel through the security fence between northern Gaza Strip and Israel. Three were killed and one survived, according to an Israeli army spokesman and Palestinian witnesses.

In a separate incident earlier on Saturday, the Israeli troops invaded the northern West Bank city of Nablus and killed three activists affiliated to Fatah's armed wing al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades.

The current Israeli military escalation against the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza coincides with the one year anniversary for the 22-day Israeli military offensive on the Gaza Strip, which ended on Jan. 18, leaving some 1,400 Palestinians killed.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8431328.stm


Hamas condemns Israeli escalation, vows to reactivate armed resistance
 
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Apocalypse said:
They first vocally warn the person, then make warning shots, and then shoot to neutralize.
There are of course a lot of cases when the infiltrators are armed and are opening fire on the forces, and in those cases, the IDF forces shoot to kill.
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I have no idea about how it has happened, so I'll give it to you.

I find that there is still a problem (if they were just innocents, lambda workers going to work in Israel, it's a huge error that they have been killed) and I can't conceive that warned people would keep on trying to enter Israel, knowing that they would be shot, but if they have really been warned the way you describe above, it's also their fault.
 
bub said:
I have no idea about how it has happened, so I'll give it to you.

I find that there is still a problem (if they were just innocents, lambda workers going to work in Israel, it's a huge error that they have been killed) and I can't conceive that warned people would keep on trying to enter Israel, knowing that they would be shot, but if they have really been warned the way you describe above, it's also their fault.
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It's firstly their fault for infiltrating Israel.
Whether for work or terrorism, you are not allowed to infiltrate a sovereign state's area, and when it's done from an hostile area such as Gaza, it is a thousand times worse.
Imagine the US-Mexico border if Mexicans were bombing themselves up in American restaurants.
 
Apocalypse said:
It's firstly their fault for infiltrating Israel.
Whether for work or terrorism, you are not allowed to infiltrate a sovereign state's area, and when it's done from an hostile area such as Gaza, it is a thousand times worse.
Imagine the US-Mexico border if Mexicans were bombing themselves up in American restaurants.
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I know there is a risk that they could be dangerous, but it's still totally disproportionate to shoot at someone just because he enters somewhere illegally! But once more, if they were warned, it's different.
 
Reminds me.

The IDF has a 24/7 updated ticker on terrorist activities and IDF counterinsurgency operations. The English version webpage is available here
 
bub said:
I know there is a risk that they could be dangerous, but it's still totally disproportionate to shoot at someone just because he enters somewhere illegally! But once more, if they were warned, it's different.
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I do not expect you to understand the procedure of a war-time area.
That's just how it is.
 
Tashah said:
Reminds me.

The IDF has a 24/7 updated ticker on terrorist activities and IDF counterinsurgency operations. The English version webpage is available here
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I've got a question: they had M-16's?! Is it frequent? I believed they had AK 47's
 
bub said:
I've got a question: they had M-16's?! Is it frequent? I believed they had AK 47's
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Go to the link I provided. There is a picture of the weapons that were confiscated in this incident.
 
bub said:
I've got a question: they had M-16's?! Is it frequent? I believed they had AK 47's
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Yes, they had m-16's.
How they got them, I do not know, but it's certainly not impossible.
 
Tashah said:
Go to the link I provided. There is a picture of the weapons that were confiscated in this incident.
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I saw the picture, that's why I'm asking if it is frequent! How did they get these weapons?!
 
bub said:
I saw the picture, that's why I'm asking if it is frequent! How did they get these weapons?!
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No it's not frequent. I'm fairly certain the IDF and Shin Bet will be investigating where these M-16s came from.
 
April 2008
From Tashah's site, but found here:
[ame=http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=122784]Palestinian weapons captured by IDF troops - Military Photos[/ame]
along with Countless other Interesting Pics at MilitaryPhotos.net.... A weapons afficionado's paradise.

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In a joint IDF-ISA activity overnight in the Jenin refugee camp, forces arrested senior Islamic Jihad terror operative
Ahmad Mahmud Said Amur, age 24. He was arrested with an M-16 rifle and six full ammunition clips in his possession.
The forces also arrested Husai Wash'hi an Islamic Jihad terror operative. The men were taken for taken for questioning by security forces.

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And:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchiv...tinian Terrorism- Photos - January 22-27- 200

January 22, 2002 (16:20), two women were killed and 40 people injured when a Palestinian terrorist opened fire with an M-16 assault rifle near a bus stop on Jaffa Road in downtown Jerusalem.
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And:

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A Palestinian kid with an M-16 rifle.
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mbig said:
April 2008
From Tashah's site, but found here:
Palestinian weapons captured by IDF troops - Military Photos
along with Countless other Interesting Pics at MilitaryPhotos.net.... A weapons afficionado's paradise.

weaponryphotos_cropped_big.JPG

In a joint IDF-ISA activity overnight in the Jenin refugee camp, forces arrested senior Islamic Jihad terror operative
Ahmad Mahmud Said Amur, age 24. He was arrested with an M-16 rifle and six full ammunition clips in his possession.
The forces also arrested Husai Wash'hi an Islamic Jihad terror operative. The men were taken for taken for questioning by security forces.

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And:
Palestinian Terrorism- Photos - January 22-27- 200

January 22, 2002 (16:20), two women were killed and 40 people injured when a Palestinian terrorist opened fire with an M-16 assault rifle near a bus stop on Jaffa Road in downtown Jerusalem.
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And:

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A Palestinian kid with an M-16 rifle.
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Why are you showing us the kid with the rifle?

Is it to make some point about the palestinians teaching their kids violence etc etc? Or did this kid do the shooting of the bus?
 
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