:lamoHow much do you know about Emanual? What about Obama's statements at AIPAC?
Israeli troops began moving into Gaza on Saturday night, intent on taking out Hamas rocket-launching sites, Israel Defense Forces said.
"We have just a short while ago launched the second stage of the operation against Hamas infrastructure," IDF spokeswoman Maj. Avital Leibovich told CNN.
"The goal is to try and take over some of those launching areas that were responsible for the many launches -- the thousands of launches, in fact -- toward the Israeli civilians," she said.
Lets hope for the sake of both sides that the "take over" is question isnt too permeanant.
So God should protect one group of people while they kill another? Very interesting.
let's hope he keeps the Palestinian civilians safe too...
The civilians did not attack Israel. :doh
The civilians did not attack Israel. :doh
The Hamas militants did. But by putting their rockets and facilities in highly populated areas they also targeted their own civilian populations.
You continue avoiding this fact as though you don't care about the civilians at all except as a bargaining chip.
and the white blood cells go on the offensive to rid the virus....
with teh way you :spin: posts :lamoI'm not avoiding anything. In the future, you should properly word your sentences in an effort to keep them from being misinterpreted.
The Hamas militants did. But by putting their rockets and facilities in highly populated areas they also targeted their own civilian populations.
I'm not avoiding anything. In the future, you should properly word your sentences in an effort to keep them from being misinterpreted.
with teh way you :spin: posts :lamo
Your evasion is noted.
I'll try again.
What ONE THING will make Hamas stop launching rockets into Israel?
SAME LOGIC:
9/11 is justified; the US targeted their own civilians by being involved in the Middle East.
you are sadly mistaken in what you consider logicThat doesn't really matter, though, does it? They were involved in the middle east, which is what caused 9/11, so that means that they are responsible for 9/11 and therefore the deaths of civilians. Everyone that has voted for a politician in the US in the last 60 years is complicit in 9/11, then, according to your logic.
More than likely the removal of HAMAS from power. My disagreement is with the way Israel is handling this removal of power. Attacking Mosques with civilians inside for prayer service is low, even for Zionists.
you are sadly mistaken in what you consider logic
Once again, you show you don't really care as much about the worshipers as you do about using them as a way to bash the "Zionists."
SAME LOGIC:
9/11 is justified; the US targeted their own civilians by being involved in the Middle East.
Khayembii said:SAME LOGIC:
9/11 is justified; the US targeted their own civilians by being involved in the Middle East.
bhkad said:At the invitation of the sovereign governments.
Unless you think the terrorists are the rightful leaders.
That doesn't really matter, though, does it? They were involved in the middle east, which is what caused 9/11, so that means that they are responsible for 9/11 and therefore the deaths of civilians. Everyone that has voted for a politician in the US in the last 60 years is complicit in 9/11, then, according to your logic.
[edit] Jahiliyyah vs. freedom
This exposure to abuse of power undoubtedly contributed to the ideas in his famous prison-written Islamic manifesto Ma'alim fi-l-Tariq (Milestones), where he advocated a political system the opposite of dictatorship. There Qutb argued:
* The Muslim world had ceased to be and reverted to pre-Islamic ignorance known as jahiliyyah, because of the lack of sharia law. Consequently all states of the Muslim world are not Islamic and thus illegitimate, including that of his native land Egypt.
* Rather than rule by a pious few, (or democratic representation [30]), Muslims should resist any system where men are in "servitude to other men" -- i.e. obey other men -- as un-Islamic and a violation of God's sovereignty (Hakamiyya) over all of creation. A truly Islamic polity would have no rulers - not even have theocratic ones - since Muslims would need neither judges nor police to obey divine law. [31] [32] It was what one observer has called "a kind of anarcho-Islam."[33]
* The way to bring about this freedom was for a revolutionary vanguard [34] to fight jahiliyyah with a twofold approach: preaching, and abolishing the organizations and authorities of the Jahili system by "physical power and Jihaad."
The vanguard movement would grow until it formed a truly Islamic community, then spread throughout the Islamic homeland and finally throughout the entire world. Islamically-correct Jihaad now being interpreted by Qutb as offensive, no longer "narrowly" defensive as those "defeated by the attacks of the treacherous Orientalists!" believe. [35]
Qutb emphasized this struggle would be anything but easy. True Islam would transform every aspect of society, eliminating everything non-Muslim. True Muslims could look forward to lives of "poverty, difficulty, frustration, torment and sacrifice." Jahili erzatz-Muslims, Jews and Westerners would all fight and conspire against Islam and the elimination of jahiliyyah.
Sayyid Qutb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For decades, politically conscious Arabs had lamented America's tolerance for the ways of Arab autocracy, its resigned acceptance that such are the ways of "the East." There would come their way, in the Bush decade, an American leader willing to bet on their freedom.
Extra - WSJ.com
Like I said in a different thread regarding this situation, and endgame has to be the goal here. This circular path of beating up Hamas, and then falling back and signing ceasefires has done nothing for either side in this deal. IMO, Hamas is the cancer that is keeping Palestinian civilians and Israel from reaching a peaceful solution. Their removal is the only thing that can ever bring about a resolution to this problem. Some Palestinians are going to have to die in this, due to the tactics of Hamas using them and their structures as shields.
"This land operation raises the same question Jonathan Freedman asked about the whole Gaza War, which is whether it is wise and how it will end with any lasting advantage to Israel. Me, I can't see it. The Israelis used to assassinate and attack Hamas when they controlled Gaza, with no success in destroying the movement. So how can they destroy it now when they don't control Gaza and are just making a temporary incursion into a heavily populated, complex territory?"
Juan Cole
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