Israel

[AmericanDude]

How in the Hell did they get in the pockets of our congress?

How do they have the largest lobbying group?

BTW, probably wrong section to discuss this, but the British had to have been smoking some strong stuff when they told all the Jews to move to the area of present-day Israel.

If the Jews come to America, we have no problems in the Middle East as far as Israel-Palestine-Iran goes.

 

[digsbe]

Israel gets funds because they are our ally and we share many common enemies.

I think it was wise for the Britts to mandate some land for a Jewish state. It's the historical home of the Jews and they deserve to be there. The conflict is due to Arab nationalists and Muslim extremists not wanting Jews in their region.

 

[bhkad]

Jews have a historic claim to Jerusalem.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Jews have a historic claim to Jerusalem.

So do the Italians, Turks, Greeks, Kurds, Arabs, French/Germans

Heck Jerusalem as belong to non jews for far more time then it has belonged to jews

 

[AmericanDude]

Israel gets funds because they are our ally and we share many common enemies.

I think it was wise for the Britts to mandate some land for a Jewish state. It's the historical home of the Jews and they deserve to be there. The conflict is due to Arab nationalists and Muslim extremists not wanting Jews in their region.

By that logic, if a Native American tribe came to your house tomorrow and told you to leave, you'd leave.

Doesn't work that way. What's in the past is in the past. Giving Israel land in the middle of that beehive was likely the impetus of WW3.

 

[cpwill]

How in the Hell did they get in the pockets of our congress?

they're not. many of our congressmen are supporters of Israel because their constituents are (not to mention that they are our ally).

How do they have the largest lobbying group?

they don't. see AARP.

BTW, probably wrong section to discuss this, but the British had to have been smoking some strong stuff when they told all the Jews to move to the area of present-day Israel.

were the Arabs smoking the same item when they suggested the same thing?

If the Jews come to America, we have no problems in the Middle East as far as Israel-Palestine-Iran goes.

yup. and if all the Arabs just move to the Sahara we would be problem free as well. :roll:

 

[cpwill]

So do the Italians, Turks, Greeks, Kurds, Arabs, French/Germans

Heck Jerusalem as belong to non jews for far more time then it has belonged to jews

actually Jews have lived there continuously for the past 3,000 years.

 

[lizzie]

Oh jeez, here we go again. Another Jew-bashing thread.:roll:

 

[dadman]

just another place to discuss Israel .. ( where God has placed his name ) .. link

peace and safety to all . . . =:0]

 

[digsbe]

By that logic, if a Native American tribe came to your house tomorrow and told you to leave, you'd leave.

Please explain to me why that is the case. Jews have always had a presence in that area, even if it was smaller at times. Besides, I am part Native American so the analogy wouldn't apply to me

Doesn't work that way. What's in the past is in the past. Giving Israel land in the middle of that beehive was likely the impetus of WW3.

I think it seemed like a smart decision. the British owned both what is now Jordan and Israel (the British Mandate). It has been divvied up to where the Jews may have what is historically their homeland, and the Arabs got Jordan. The Jews were just coming out of the atrocities o Hitler during WWII and much discrimination in and around Europe. I think they deserved to have their homeland back, and I think the Mandate was partitioned pretty fairly. The problem lies with intolerant Arab nationalists and Muslim extremists who have a problem with Jews having a state in their Middle East. They were opposed to a Jewish state when it was proposed even though the land was not theirs to lay claim to (the Brits owned it). The issue doesn't lie with Israel or what Israel did, the issue lies with the Arab nationalists and Muslims who simply do not want a Jewish state in their Middle East.

 

[Gardener]

Oh jeez, here we go again. Another Jew-bashing thread.:roll:

and nothing is ever done about it.

 

[Degreez]

Jews have a historic claim to Jerusalem.

Every single human being alive today has a historic claim to Africa (particularly Ethiopia) thanks to our MCRA, African Eve.

That doesn't make the claim more legitimate than the people who are already living in Africa (particularly Ethiopia).

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Moderator's Warning:

Pay no attention to the nitwit, Bron's sock puppet, who started this thread.

 

[The Giant Noodle]

Moderator's Warning:

Pay no attention to the nitwit, Bron's sock puppet, who started this thread.

isnt a sock puppet one person with a dual forum identity?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

isnt a sock puppet one person with a dual forum identity?

Yes, but in this case it refers to a poster who has already been banned, re-entering as a sock puppet and violating the multi-account rule.

 

[mbig]

Every single human being alive today has a historic claim to Africa (particularly Ethiopia) thanks to our MCRA, African Eve.

That doesn't make the claim more legitimate than the people who are already living in Africa (particularly Ethiopia).

Ahh back to the absurdly old africa bad comparison.

and Of course, using your logic, we should throw all the relative newcomer Arabs out of North Africa.
Especially considering the Grievous damage they are Still doing to the native Native populations.. in ie, Egypt (the copts) and Sudan (needs no intro).
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[Lord Tammerlain]

actually Jews have lived there continuously for the past 3,000 years.

Never said they didnt


That does not mean however that others have not controlled it and or lived there as well on a historical basis

 

[dontworrybehappy]

Can I call the OP a twit and a nitwit? If a mod can do it so can I!

Hey American dude, you're a twit and a nitwit!

Oh man, that felt great!!!!

I hope CC has a little humor in him or else I might get a vacation! LOL

 

[Mysynikof]

Israel should never have been mandated by the british to become the jewish homeland. While, historically, the Jewish people did live in the middle east, at the time of the Zionist movement, the majority of people living on the land were arabs in what used to be called Palestine.

Somewhat Ironically, by casting the Palestinians into the dark, the semitic ones don't seem to realize how the Palestinians are now a Diaspora, just as Judaism had been a Diaspora for the past two millenia.

Furthermore, it runs from the real issue. If you want respect or if you want people to treat you humanely, then you have to stand up for those rights. That is true in the Middle east just as it is true anywhere else. In any case, the Jewish problem at the close of WWII was a civil rights problem, not a Zionist one. and had a Charismatic movement similiar to the likes of the Civil Rights Movement in the United States In the 1960's and 70's arisen, then perhaps we wouldn't be having this conversation today.

Oh, and be gentle with me, because -> :newhere:

 

[Demon of Light]

they're not. many of our congressmen are supporters of Israel because their constituents are (not to mention that they are our ally).

Don't be so naive. The position of blindly supporting Israel is not backed nearly as much by the public as it is by Congress. Like many other elements of U.S. foreign policy the government advances its own interests, which in some instances means advancing the interests of the people who can make or break their career.

 

[lizzie]

While, historically, the Jewish people did live in the middle east, at the time of the Zionist movement, the majority of people living on the land were arabs in what used to be called Palestine.

I've never read in any legitimate source that there was ever a "Palestine". The people in that region around the time of the formation of the Jewish state were pretty much small bands and tribes, generally considered to be loosely associated with and guided by Syrian rule/law.

 

[Gardener]

Don't be so naive.

He doesn't even seem to realize that all the really trendy knownothings are throwing their blind support towards the Palestinians these days.

 

[Demon of Light]

I've never read in any legitimate source that there was ever a "Palestine". The people in that region around the time of the formation of the Jewish state were pretty much small bands and tribes, generally considered to be loosely associated with and guided by Syrian rule/law.

Please review history. Palestine is a name with considerable history in reference to that region. Of course, it would be appropriate to challenge the existence of a distinct national identity at that time. The Ottomans had ended the reference to the name Palestine when it took control of the territory and its borders were rather different than at the time of Israel's independence.

He doesn't even seem to realize that all the really trendy knownothings are throwing their blind support towards the Palestinians these days.

I do not think there is as much blind support for them as for Israel, most Americans are more in the middle.

 

[cpwill]

palestine absolutely has a considerable history in that region


.... ever since 1919.

 

[Demon of Light]

palestine absolutely has a considerable history in that region


.... ever since 1919.

The name Palestine was in use even during the time of the Ottomans, especially outside the Empire, though it was not an official name for the region. It had been used by the Romans and its roots go back even further. Like I said, saying a Palestinian identity didn't exist for much of that time is one thing, but it would be simply wrong to say the term was not a historical reference for that region.