But you would be creating a false dichotomy again, because the possibilities are not simply nothing happened and genocide. Also you haven't even reviewed the program that you are attempting to critique. You are simply dismissing it out of hand. hardly an intellectual position that stands on it's own merits
IMO that (the bolded part) better describes those who want to believe the worst about Israel.
Now you pay close attention, as I am going to type and post this at normal speed, and I do not want you to miss what you already did.
Your position was already addressed.
Good grief is right!
Contraception is different from sterilization. Far, far different.
And you don't think it matters?
You don't think it matters to get the story straight instead of trying to make the base allegations appear more nefarious?
"Good grief" is right!
You should try to keep the information correct, regardless of the side you take in an issue.
Btw, where was it alleged that they were misrepresenting the substance?
You mean the comment about taking actual immunizations? That one?
If it was that one you should have read slower, as it was about immunizations.
Or are you talking about something else?
Occam's Razor
which is the most likely scenario going on here?
attempt at mass genocide, or administrative error?
I guess typing at normal speed didn't help huh?What are you talking about?
... the Israeli Government is misrepresenting the purpose and the substance ...
Doesn't mean they were either.Actually, if I recall correctly (feel free to quote the relevant material if I am wrong), someone (ecofarm I believe) correctly pointed out immunizations would be part of any relocation program. That doesn't mean the individuals in question weren't also given depo under the guise of an immunization
I guess typing at normal speed didn't help huh?
Was it to fast for you?
The question was what are you talking about?
What is this misrepresentation you are speaking about?
Doesn't mean they were either..
I guess you missed my reply to that which was above your post.They allegedly may have misrepresent the depo as an immunization.
Did you miss the "Morning Sickness immunization" joke? :lol:
I think you are confused. No, strike that, I am sure of it.No **** (i never indicated to the contrary and have been stressing the lack of evidence, either way, since this thread started). But I am not sure back tracking on your original claim and challanging an assertion I never made does much for your argument.
I think you are confused. No, strike that, I am sure of it.
If you say so
I think you are confused. No, strike that, I am sure of it.
I am glad we are in agreement. :mrgreen:
I know. That's why you've been trying to play "Gotcha!" with me and not digsbe who said the same thing essentially about people who believe anything bad about Israel. There are two sides that are equally bad. Then there are people who not like that who get accused of being like that as an automatic rebuttal.
It's pretty sad how people refuse to believe anything negative about the Israeli government. As if their government was any more honest than any other government.
. To me that sounds awfully like the Israel can do nothing right camp.
Hence, any comment about a "complex history" is irrelevant to my comment of them being accepted and the unlikelihood that a government would accept them only to purposely sterilize them?
To believe such is beyond absurdity.
Yep, you got me. I'm a Nazi and a member of Hamas.
Yep, that's it....
Yes your comment was absolute crap. Just as your current edited version is as well.(cough) Absolute crap (cough)I think that would be your personal biases speaking.As I expected, you are simply unable to accept that Israel is anything less than perfect. It's either partisan blinders or you live in a completely different reality than the rest of us do.
Here is why ...
You have yet to show that Israel actually did anything wrong.
All you have are allegations of which you apparently wish to glom onto.
Something is wrong with that. To me that sounds awfully like the Israel can do nothing right camp.
Like I said.
You are accepting an allegation.
Their word indicated that the administrators need to make sure there is no misunderstanding.
That may mean that there was some misunderstanding before. Not that something was purposely done wrongly, or forced, or anything of the sort.
Which means that it wasn't a tacit admission of wrong doing at all.
Let's assume for a second that this story came out and it was the United States government. In other words, change the word "Israel" to "Obama." What would you be saying?
I guess you hate America then.
If you say so!Yep, you got me. I'm a Nazi and a member of Hamas.
Yep, that's it....
Noooo, I doubt that. Maybe you just got caught up in the hype of an outrageous TV show story and shoulda waited at least until CNN or BBC picked it up? It could happen to anyone. Well, not me, but you get the point.
:dohNot really, because aliyah, and the policy on aliyah, has been an ongoing process open to numerous policy changes over the years, and faces strong opposition in various circles, even political ones ...Not to mention, a willingness to accept them in aliyah does not translate into a willingness to accept a large population explosion from that demographic
Yes your comment was absolute crap. Just as your current edited version is as well.
If you say so!
:doh
Yes really! "To believe such is beyond absurdity."
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