I've seen a demotrans in a village, in a single generation, in the developing world, without immigration. It was due to the factors noted. In the current generation (my age) birth control is considered perhaps ok sometimes by the men. Most men my age have only one wife and only 2-3 children, their fathers had 2-3 wives and 5-15 children.
Okay, I'll take your word for it.However, here is some info that I found out about Ethiopia. According to my link, there have been efforts made to not much avail. Lots of problems, LOTS.
http://www.populationinstitute.org/external/files/Ethiopia.pdf
Ethiopia is a top 10 poorest country in the world? Something like that. I was referring to the bougies (relative, and by definition) in the Kenyan village I plan to settle with and have been studying for over ten years.
Weren't you also referring to the Ethiopians in Israel being able to assimilate into the community and Israeli culture and control their birth rates with access to better healthcare and education? I agree that perhaps in certain ideal situations it could be done relatively quickly, but I don't think that is the case generally in this situation. I still think it will take a LONG time for assimilation to occur.
No, but I do think it's funny that you're saddened by people who didn't immediately accept this story as reported.
I was talking about any population that experiences a developing to developed change in infant mortality and death rates (and some minor factors that create lag), as observed every single time such has ever happened in the history of man.
How long the transition takes is mostly a matter of how significant and rapid the change in conditions.
I agree with that, but there are a lot of other factors at play here too, like child marriage and a patriarchal culture (I know most are to an extent, but in places like Ethiopia it is especially bad). The women are used to being baby-making factories. In a lot of places in Ethiopia, it seems as if women are truly second-class citizens, or even worse in some instances.
I definitely think people from some cultures assimilate MUCH more easily and quickly than others.
I think that would be your personal biases speaking.As I expected, you are simply unable to accept that Israel is anything less than perfect. It's either partisan blinders or you live in a completely different reality than the rest of us do.
You are accepting an allegation.
Their word indicated that the administrators need to make sure there is no misunderstanding.
That may mean that there was some misunderstanding before. Not that something was purposely done wrongly, or forced, or anything of the sort.
Which means that it wasn't a tacit admission of wrong doing at all.
A question for anyone who might know: Was/is Israel doing outreach and recruitment for citizens in Ethiopia?
Someone in the earliest part of the discussion alluded to that, which causes one to wonder if that is true, why would they then attempt secret, forced contraception of those Ethiopians that accept their offer to move to Israel?
Or are we talking about 130,000 Ethiopians that just decided one day to pack up the Ford and move to Israel?
It's one thing to be skeptical and an entirely different thing to dismiss it out of hand without doing any research to see if it is legit or not.
So now it's not so "sad" to be skeptical?
It's pretty sad how people refuse to believe anything negative about the Israeli government. As if their government was any more honest than any other government.
So, at this point...
Who thinks the investigative reporter's TV show has uncovered a Hitler-like conspiracy between some or even all government Israelis (or perhaps a select group of evil medical personel).
And who thinks there are sociological factors involved that were ignored in the gathering of inflamatory quotes and uncited population data.
How about, which is more likely?
well, being that we lack much evidence either way ...
If you had to guess (tick tock tick tock)... Am I right or is Israel (or a few rogue Israelis) nazi Germany/communist China?
Which reminds me: Where are the One Child Program China apologists?
Well, ignoring the false dichotomy and attempts to negative associations with those that disagree with you (maybe go play with spanky), again, I would just reiterate that your theorizing on the possible issues with the data don't actually amount to issues with the data
Maybe try reading what he wrote:
As Anyone actually taking the time to read his post can see, what he claims as "sad" is "refusing to believe anything negative about the Israeli government. As if their government was any more honest than any other government"
It's criticism is clearly stated and raises above the level of mere skepticism, unlike you suggest above.
C'mon, Chuckles, don't tell me that you're going with "the Israeli governement is committing genocide" and this Hannity/Matthews 'investigative journalist' TV show has made the discovery by talking to 35 people.
I'm going with "there is a lack of evidence either way". And see no reason to change that
And who, up to that post, had "refus(ed) to believe anything negative about the Israeli government"?
Just admit I'm probably right (about the show, the 'research', the conclusions, the motives and all that fancy demographic stuff I explained) and Israel is almost certainly not committing genocide against its Ethiopians.\
Does everyone need to highlight something that they think Israel has done wrong, bad, poorly or just not great, before we can discuss this news?
a number of people. Just go back and read the thread
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