In the event that I have not made it sufficiently clear, I'm on your side.Tashah said:I understand the concept of victory through population demographics. I can also assure you that none of what you write is lost on the Israelis.
Per the Arab/Israeli population demographics, you must take into account that the cost of living in Israel is far above what it would be living in the slums of Gaza or Samaria. In other words, the financial burden of large Arab families in Israel would be prohibitive. I suppose you'll have to trust me on this, but Israel will not artificially support (welfare) those who would rather engage in procreation than education.
Arab ingress and egress statistics are also monitored and adjusted. For Arab spouses who are separated (one living in Israel and the other in Palestine), egress is unlimited but ingress is subject to Israeli government controls. I believe at the current time a Palestinian female must be at least 25 years of age and a Palestinian male 35 years of age to reunite in Israel proper.
Despite the fact that there are Christians, Muslims, and Druze living in Israel, it was conceived and realized with a specific purpose, and shall remain as the Jewish homeland. Anyone who believes this truism is problematic is more than welcome to emigrate elsewhere.
Hornburger said:I think its Palestine's land then...if Israel was created in 1920 I would say it would be okay because the Allies conquered the Ottoman Empire...but that was no the case. It seems as though the Allies were only making Israel because of the guilt they felt after the Holocaust. Palestine was the sole mandate that occupied that land-not Israel...so I think Palestine now.
Fantasea said:In the event that I have not made it sufficiently clear, I'm on your side.
To the extent that Arabs spend quite a bit of money supporting the Palestinians and their handlers, as well as paying for all the costs of the 'military' operations, they could just as well subsidize Palestinians living in Israel and encourage more of them to 'move in'.
The situation would be akin to that of France, where it is estimated that the Islamic component of the population currently stands at 25% and continues to increase. Politicians there are projecting the day when an election will occur which will sweep Islamics into every national political office. Then we'll see about those head scarves, won't we?
So, who needs a war when the victory can be been won at the ballot box.
The past fifty years has seen no gain by the Arabs in the constant and uninterrupted struggle with Israel. Fifty years more and it could be all over without firing a shot.
Perhaps abortion has an unintended consequence after all.
I do realize that and appreciate your support Fantasea.Fantasea said:In the event that I have not made it sufficiently clear, I'm on your side.
Arabs and Palestinians cannot simply 'move in' to Israel. The border control points are highly regulated. I'll share with you a pertinint story...Fantasea said:To the extent that Arabs spend quite a bit of money supporting the Palestinians and their handlers, as well as paying for all the costs of the 'military' operations, they could just as well subsidize Palestinians living in Israel and encourage more of them to 'move in'.
Thanx for the education.Tashah said:I do realize that and appreciate your support Fantasea.
Che said:I voted Palestine because they've been abused since day 1 they had to go up against tanks with rocks. But I truly believe that they should make Jeruselum a U.N. controled area and split the rest equally.
V.I. Lenin said:Which one should own the land?
Which one should own the land?
And with what would the UN control Israel?
And with what would the UN control Israel?
I voted Palestine because they've been abused since day 1 they had to go up against tanks with rocks. But I truly believe that they should make Jeruselum a U.N. controled area and split the rest equally.
Rather than being a democracy in the true ideological sense, Israel is actually a quasi-democracy and has no written Constitution.I do realize that and appreciate your support Fantasea.
I expounded on your post mainly for the purpose of explaining that what on the surface may seem to be an unyielding principle (that high Arab birth rates will dilute and eventually abolish Jewish control of Israel via population demographics), is neither a viable truism nor an absolute commodity.
Rather than being a democracy in the true ideological sense, Israel is actually a quasi-democracy and has no written Constitution. The guiding principles of Israel's conception and realization were deliniated in its initial statement of independence and soverignty. Israel is a Jewish state and shall remain a Jewish state. If additional legislation is required to ensure its ethnic composition and its longevity... then that shall be addressed in due course.
Arabs and Palestinians cannot simply 'move in' to Israel. The border control points are highly regulated. I'll share with you a pertinint story...
I have a personal and professional friend who lives in the United States and is an American citizen. Her name is Rana and she is of Palestinian decent. Rana has a Ph.D. in Religious Studies and holds the Religious Department chair at a major American university.
A few months ago, Rana flew to Israel to visit extended family in the territories and spend a few days with me in Tel Aviv. Despite the fact that Rana is a highly educated American citizen and traveling on a valid American passport, she was subjected to intense scrutiny by Israeli security at Ben Gurion International Airport. The main problem was that she listed visiting family in Samaria (the West Bank) as her reason for visiting Israel. To make a long story short, my personal and direct intervention was required for Rana to negotiate the Israeli airport security, border control, and customs apparatus.
As you can plainly deduce from this, Israel does not at all resemble France in this regard and does not extend either 'colonial citizenship' or 'right of return' status to ethnic Arabs and Palestinians. Although it may seem logical to assume that population demographics will eventually win the day for Arabists who harbor the illusion of victory through the Israeli electorate, it is precisely this electorate that precludes this notion from becoming a reality.
None of what you write is lost on the Arabs. But, their movement need not take the form of war.
However, their goal remains, as does their patience. Simply encouraging and supporting a more rapid population growth among Palestinians, coupled with a 'relaxed' attitude toward peace could, in several generations, produce an imbalance which would simply overwhelm the Israeli populace by dilution.
As the Japanese gained, through peaceful means, the share of the US that they could not gain by war, the Arabs may try the same tactic.
The Arab is patient and will bide his time. The stated goal is to drive Israel into the sea. The UN mandates mean nothing to them.
When it appears that the time is right the Arab nations will form up and another attempt will be made.
Laila
another British imperialist yuk. Poochy the way the Arabs are reproducing and the British are not reproducing, I think the UN should make London an Arab capital city.
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