DeeJayH said:I am sorry, but how long ago was it he lived
it was a different time with different cultural mores
however, there are plenty of countries that have children married off much earlier than in the US
not to mention the guy out west (US) who was recently charged with raping his wife because she is only 14
seems this threads title is just to enrage muslims
….Now transport those current scenes from our newspapers and television back to the first Book of the Bible - the Book of Genesis. They bring to life what we rarely imagine so graphically when we read of the great flood that devastated the known world. If you read the Bible as literally true, as fundamentalists do, this flood was ordered by God. "And God said to Noah, 'I have determined to make an end of all flesh... behold, I will destroy them with the earth." (6:5-13). "I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall die." (6:17-19) Noah and his family are the only humans spared - they were, after all, God's chosen. But for everyone else: "... the waters prevailed so mightily... that all the high mountains....were covered....And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, birds, cattle, beasts...and every man; everything on the dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life, died...." (7:17-23).
The flood is merely Act One. Read on: This God first "hardens the heart of Pharaoh" to make sure the Egyptian ruler will not be moved by the plea of Moses to let his people go. Then because Pharaoh's heart is hardened, God turns the Nile into blood so people cannot drink its water and will suffer from thirst. Not satisfied with the results, God sends swarms of locusts and flies to torture them; rains hail and fire and thunder on them destroys the trees and plants of the field until nothing green remains; orders every first-born child to be slaughtered, from the first-born of Pharaoh right on down to "the first-born of the maidservant behind the mill." An equal-murderous God, you might say. The massacre continues until "there is not a house where one was not dead." While the Egyptian families mourn their dead, God orders Moses to loot from their houses all their gold and silver and clothing. Finally, God's thirst for blood is satisfied, God pauses to rest - and boasts: "I have made sport of the Egyptians."
Violence: the sport of God. God, the progenitor of shock and awe.
And that's just Act II. As the story unfolds women and children are hacked to death on God's order; unborn infants are ripped from their mother's wombs; cities are leveled - their women killed if they have had sex, the virgins taken at God's command for the pleasure of his holy warriors. When his holy warriors spare the lives of 50,000 captives God is furious and sends Moses back to rebuke them and tell them to finish the job. One tribe after another falls to God-ordered genocide: the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites - names so ancient they have disappeared into the mists as fathers and mothers and brothers and sisters, grandparents and grandchildren, infants in arms, shepherds, threshers, carpenters, merchants, housewives - living human beings, flesh and blood: "And when the Lord your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them...(and) your eyes shall not pity them."
So it is written - in the Holy Bible.
SKILMATIC said:No actually this is conclusive to what their ideologies are today.
And you call becasue if culture says its ok that its ok? So becasue Mohammed took a 6yr girl as his wife then had 5EX with her before she was 9 is ok becasue culture in those days told him it was? You need some help.
So I guess slavery was ok becasue culture told us it was. So I guess all balcks deserve to be enslaved becasue culture in those days was ok. You really need some serious help if thats what you beleive.
A 14yr old is different. At that age she knows what she is doing. PLus if the marrage was mutual then theres no shame in it. But if the marrage wasnt mutual then yes thats wrong.
But a 6yr old girl? C'mon deejay. Use your head dude.
Ok, First. What are you doing listening to Savage Nation? Savage is about one notch away from Hitler in terms of reason and tolerance. He is definitely the worst hate monger on the radio.
Secondly, have you ever read the Old Testament?
My point being that the God of the Old Testament and Allah (which is essentially the same God, Allah simply means the one God), are pretty much equally violent.
I'm a bit more concerned about those 700 heads he had lopped off at Medina. As I recall his last wife was nine years old. At the least this would be statutory rape under today's laws.
"According to Muhammad’s sacralized biography by Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad himself sanctioned the massacre of the Qurayza, a vanquished Jewish tribe. He appointed an "arbiter" who soon rendered this concise verdict: the men were to be put to death, the women and children sold into slavery, the spoils to be divided among the Muslims. Muhammad ratified this judgment stating that it was a decree of God pronounced from above the Seven Heavens. Thus some 600 to 900 men from the Qurayza were lead on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug and the men were beheaded, and their decapitated corpses buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched in attendance. Women and children were sold into slavery, a number of them being distributed as gifts among Muhammad’s companions, and Muhammad chose one of the Qurayza women (Rayhana) for himself. The Qurayza’s property and other possessions (including weapons) were also divided up as additional "booty" among the Muslims, to support further jihad campaigns."
Kandahar said:Maybe some of the things YOU do will be considered horribly immoral and taboo in 1,400 years. I guess that automatically discredits everything you stand for and makes you a horrible human being.
SouthernDemocrat said:Ok, First. What are you doing listening to Savage Nation? Savage is about one notch away from Hitler in terms of reason and tolerance. He is definitely the worst hate monger on the radio.
Secondly, have you ever read the Old Testament?
Bill Moyers, a Christian (Southern Baptist in his case) wrote an excellent article on the history of violence in both the Koran and the Old Testament. By the way, many of the stories in the Old Testament, also are in the Koran.
Here is an excerpt from that article where he talks about the violence and atrocities in the Old Testament:
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Source: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0909-36.htm
My point being that the God of the Old Testament and Allah (which is essentially the same God, Allah simply means the one God), are pretty much equally violent.
SKILMATIC said:On the contrary, the ACLU is buddy . Savage is a godsend to this country. I suppose dan rather is better huh? :lol:
I only had to read the KJV OT like 7times and the KJV NT like 12 times.
Ok so whats your point? Lets say that christianities God and the Muslims god are the same. Well why are the muslims having a profound problem with interpreting what their god wants and the chirstians arent? If they are the same god then they certainly act different. So this would conclude that its not the same god. Unless you can prove otherwise.
Yes very well put. This is a problem with this religion as its founding father is a whoremonger and a tyranical warmonger as well.
I don’t even call this a religion. I call this a cult. I mean look at the way they live.
Savage is nothing but a hatemonger. How could any true Christian view him and his vile hate filled rants as a “godsend”?
The KJV of the Bible is not the most accurate translation so maybe that’s why you don’t seem to get that if you pick and choose your verses, and especially if things are taken out of context, the God of the Old Testament is just as violent, genocidal, and warmongering as the God of the Koran is.
For example, say right now some young Muslims are listening to some hatemongering Islamic version of Michael Savage and that hatemonger has an “expert on Christianity” explaining to his audience of loyal Muslim listeners how vile, unconscionable, and violent the Christian God is.
“When the LORD your God brings you into the land that you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and mightier than yourselves, 2and when the LORD your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them, then you must devote them to complete destruction.[a] You shall make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them.”
So now after hearing that, those Muslims would think that Christianity is an evil cult bent upon murder, destruction and the rape of children.
Are you kind of getting my point here?
SKILMATIC said:Do you know anything?
SKILMATIC said:Again show us proof. Then show us proof that the founder of islam is a peaceful loving person. Im waiting ...
You are seriously an idiot you know that?
I am sorry, but you are misinformed.The KJV is the most accurate translation of the word of God except from Latin and Hebrew.
Whish is what it was written in. What? You think the book of Morons is a better translation?
How about the NKJV? Its obvious to me you know nothing of theology and the Bible.
Again please prove that what you say? I havent heard one thing that even remotely resembles this. Please give me eviddenciary support other than opinionated bologna rhetoric.
Do you even know what this stories context is? So I suppose soddom and Gamora was a ok way to live life too huh? Thats what the ACLU would defend then the same ACLU would smite the people who are trying to erradicate this evil form the world.
No becasue they would be smart enough to read the whole story you nimrod! I wonder why they were fighting them? Did you get that exerpt? Or are you still a nimrod?
SouthernDemocrat said:
- Savage is nothing but a hatemonger. How could any true Christian view him and his vile hate filled rants as a “godsend”?
For example, say right now some young Muslims are listening to some hatemongering Islamic version of Michael Savage and that hatemonger has an “expert on Christianity” explaining to his audience of loyal Muslim listeners how vile, unconscionable, and violent the Christian God is.
- The KJV of the Bible is not the most accurate translation so maybe that’s why you don’t seem to get that if you pick and choose your verses, and especially if things are taken out of context, the God of the Old Testament is just as violent, genocidal, and warmongering as the God of the Koran is.
He would probably say things like:
“This God of the Christian Americans is a morally repugnant warmongering God. They believe that he has given them Iraq and their book of Deuteronomy command them in Deuteronomy Chapter 7 to:
“When the LORD your God brings you into the land that you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and mightier than yourselves, 2and when the LORD your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them, then you must devote them to complete destruction.[a] You shall make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them.”
See, they are to show no mercy to the Iraqis, they are to completely destroy them. Their God is a rapist and a pedophile as well, in Numbers Chapter 31 starting at verse 7, their Christian God instructs them:
“14And Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and the commanders of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. 15Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? 16Behold, these, on Balaam's advice, caused the people of Israel to act treacherously against the LORD in the incident of Peor, and so the plague came among the congregation of the LORD. 17Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.”
So now after hearing that, those Muslims would think that Christianity is an evil cult bent upon murder, destruction and the rape of children.
Are you kind of getting my point here?
Missouri Mule said:Just so we are clear here, who exactly where the inhabitants that the Israelites commanded to exterminate? What were their ethnic origins? You've brought up this subject and I would appreciate knowing what it is you actually know about it.
I don't get your equation with Christians. I can't recall anything in the New Testament ordering anyone to commit mass murder. Perhaps I have overlooked it. Can you point it out for me, please?
Ok, as far as Savage goes, lets just look at one of his comments to a caller that got his show cancelled on MSNBC:
“Oh, so you're one of those sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig, how's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better to do than to put me down, you piece of garbage, you got nothing better to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it. Get trichinosis. Now do we have another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the bathhouse who's angry at me today? Put another, put another sodomite on....no more calls? I don't care about these bums, they mean nothing to me. They're all sausages."
But I guess your right, he is not a hatemonger.
That is very Christian of you to call someone who has an alternative viewpoint an idiot.
Today, the majority of theologians consider the most accurate English translations to be THE NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE and THE NEW AMERICAN BIBLE with The New American Standard Bible being closer in wording to the original text, and The New American Bible being more readable (The New American Bible is approved for as both a Catholic and Protestant Bible). Of course, there are several different Bibles in publication that are all very accurate and have varying degrees of ease of readability.
Of course not. The Book of Mormon is not even a bible translation, but rather it is a book written by Joseph Smith. As I am not a Mormon, I consider it to be pure heresy
UMMM... no becasue if you knew anything of the Bible you would know the NASV is the same version as the NKJV. I dare you to get a copy of each and read each and you will see the books are the same.Once again, as I have shown earlier, I think you are misinformed.
I did prove what I said. I posted passages out of the Bible that a non-Christian could easily construe from that our God is an advocate of Child Rape and Murder. Which only proved my point that one cannot judge the beliefs of a religion by just taking verses here and there out of their religious texts out of context.
Well, I suppose that if the people of Sodom and Gomorrah had a constitution that granted them a right to privacy and freedom of religion, then the ACLU would defend the people of Sodom and Gomorrah in a court of law if the government of Sodom or Gomorrah tried to invade the privacy of their bedrooms and interfere with what consenting adults chose to do, or if the government tried to compel them to adhere to a specific religious belief. Of course, I don’t guess it would be called the ACLU. Instead it would be called the SGCLU, or the Sodom and Gomorrah Civil Liberties Union.
If you will notice, my whole point as I stated above was to only provide passages and not context as to show how a non-Christian could by just looking at those passages conclude that the Christian God is a God who sanctions murder and child rape. See, that is the problem with just taking things out of context and my point in doing so was to show how Savage probably did just the same thing with Islam
GySgt said:There's a whole lot of nastiness surrounding Muhammed. As far as "judging" their religion, we aren't the ones condemning all of the world's religions and calling them infidels. They are judging us.
SKILMATIC said:Yep thats him alright. And would you be so kind to put the quote that was said by the caller? O no you wouldnt casue that would just about degrade your whole argument now wouldnt it? What you fail to realize is there is always to sides to the argument. The caller was a moronic aryian homosexual and you want to give harbor and tolerance to this individual who was the caller? So becasue Mike got upset, rightfully so, you are going to side with the person who is wrong on every issue than with someone who is right that got a little upset. You make tons of sense.
Your right hes not. But mohammed was a whore and a warmonger. How about them apples?
Actually its not a point of view its rubbish as I o solemly put it so therefor its idiotic and I called the person who exclaimed the idiocy and rubbish an idiot so theres no unchrisitan thing about telling the truth. If I called you a genius I would be lying and then I would be unchristian like. You see the connection here?
Which is also known as the NKJV you idiot. Or as I refer to it as the laymans version of the KJV.
Seriously, do you know anything about the Bible? Yes the NKJV is easier to read becasue of laymans who cant read or comprehend it need a more juvenile version of the KJV. But basically its the same thing as the KJV except with laymans words.
UMMM... no becasue if you knew anything of the Bible you would know the NASV is the same version as the NKJV. I dare you to get a copy of each and read each and you will see the books are the same.
Again they were out of context. You must learn the whole story.
BTW where does it say in the Bible that God is a condoner of rape?
I beleive he destroyed soddom and gomora did he not? Not to mention it never says in the Bible that God condones the killings of innocents. Only those who are sinners that havent repented. Theres a difference. You seriously need to stop spelling lies to everyone. Becasue thats not what the Bible even means.
This is why liberalism is a mental disorder. Uh oh now I am a hate monger :rofl
Ok well again why is it that islam has a more profound problem with it than christians do? I think its becasue we can understand CONTEXT you nimrod! Something the Muslims may not be able to do not to mention their Quran is different. So yes people can take things out of context but thats not the issue here the issue is why islam has a more profound problem doing this?
GySgt said:There's a whole lot of nastiness surrounding Muhammed. As far as "judging" their religion, we aren't the ones condemning all of the world's religions and calling them infidels. They are judging us.
Middleground said:And what do you call what Skilmatic is doing?
People interpret the Bible -- just as I'm sure the Koran -- in different ways. It's really amazing how the same exact words can be construed much differently. I can relate that what Southern Democrat is saying, and I can picture a hate mongering Muslim DJ spewing his venom over the airways of the Middle East, reading passages from the Bible and presenting his own ugly interpretation of God's Book. You'll have some Muslim listeners who'll think "Wow, Christians are evil," while you'll have others who'll think "this DJ is a lying hate mongering jerk." The ones who believe the garbage become hateful of all Christians and perhaps maybe, even hateful enough to join Al-Qaeda. But maybe they'll just simply hate Christans because their book and God are evil.
Now flip it around, and replace the Middle-Eastern DJ with Savage. Now replace the Muslim listeners with American listeners. Same thing happens.
If Skilmatic is so concerned about how much Mohammad was supposedly a rapist and murderer, perhaps he should read the Koran to see for himself and not simply take Savage's word like they are... ahem... scripture.
GySgt, I don't always agree with you, but I respect your mostly thoughtful posts. Unlike Skilmatic -- who I think is a lost cause -- I think that you'll understand (but perhaps not agree) my point of view here.
don’t know, I can understand for someone to get upset, but myself, I don’t tell people that I hope they get aids and die and I don’t refer to Gay men as sodomites. In fact, I don’t think any decent individual would react the way Savage did regardless of the situation.
I was referring to Savage not being a hate monger, and I was being sarcastic.
No I don’t. For one, the Christian thing to do is to know how to actually spell the word Christian, and to have enough respect and etiquette to always capitalize it
Finally, even if you believed that someone was an idiot, the Christian thing to do is to find a way to convey your belief without being insulting or derogatory towards the individual that you felt was an idiot.
I am sorry, but once again you are misinformed.
The New King James Version is simply an easier to read revision of the original King James Version.
The New American Standard Bible is a revision of the 1901 American Standard Bible. The New American Standard Bible is a Bible written in modern English that utilized the best original Greek and Hebrew translations available. It is the most scripturally accurate of all of the English translations, yet because it strives so much for accuracy, is the least easy to read of all of the modern English translations.
I have already addressed this. However for comparison purposes. I am accepting you dare and posting an example verse from both the NKJV and the NASB. For purposes of comparison I am using John 3:16 and Luke 2:1
NKJV John 3:16 – “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
NASB John 3:16 – “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”
NKJV Luke 2:1 – “And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.”
NASB Luke 2:1- “Now in those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of all the inhabited earth.”
Notice that the wording is different. The reason for this is that is of course because they are not the same version.
I took them out of context because you were basing your beliefs on Islam on random verses and passages. So to prove a point, I posted random verses and passages out of context and pointed out how a Muslim could very easily get the idea that our Christian God was a vile and morally repugnant God. It is a concept known as empathy, or trying to see something the way someone else from a different culture might see it
People interpret the Bible -- just as I'm sure the Koran -- in different ways. It's really amazing how the same exact words can be construed much differently. I can relate that what Southern Democrat is saying, and I can picture a hate mongering Muslim DJ spewing his venom over the airways of the Middle East, reading passages from the Bible and presenting his own ugly interpretation of God's Book. You'll have some Muslim listeners who'll think "Wow, Christians are evil," while you'll have others who'll think "this DJ is a lying hate mongering jerk." The ones who believe the garbage become hateful of all Christians and perhaps maybe, even hateful enough to join Al-Qaeda. But maybe they'll just simply hate Christans because their book and God are evil.
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