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Is Zelenskyya's mouth now a liability for Ukraine?

dangling Eu membership in front of Zelensky gives the Eu powerful leverage over future Ukrainian behaviour. If Ukraine doesn't play ball the Europeans can tighten the screws.

The exact same rules apply to any and all nations wishing to join the EU. Ukraine would get no harsher treatment than any other nation.

I just hope for the EU's sake that they put in an ejection mechanism but I would enjoy seeing Zelensky sitting next to Orban at a meeting of the European Council.
 
It has not yet come to the point of talking with the press at that point. He simply challenged Vance and in a very disrespectful manner.

He asked the most basic question and Vance actes like Zelensky had spit on him.

It was not an error. it was lack of respect and protocol.

This is projection.
 
BREAKING NEWS - STOP THE PRESSES

"There was no reason for Putin to be shooting missiles into civilian areas, cities and towns, over the last few days. It makes me think that maybe he doesn’t want to stop the war,” Trump posted on his social media platform.

He's just tapping me along, and has to be dealt with differently, through ‘Banking’ or ‘Secondary Sanctions?’ Too many people are dying!!!”

Trump posted this on Crap Social. He's pondering the possibility that maybe, not sure, could be, can't believe it , people are saying, just maybe Putin is "tapping me along" ... Who would have ever guessed! Urrrrggg

That's great Donnie, what's next, maybe you should call some NATO leaders before posting.
 
Unlimited? Utter bullshit.

The US surrendering certainly won't win any wars.

Probably cause more of them.
Hogwash. China has it's own plans/timetable for "reunification" with Taiwan (ex) no matter what happens to Ukr

Europe needs to deal with Europe -we'll deal with China
 
No it didnt.

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Who told you this
Yes, you tried that ploy before.

You've been given proof that skirmishes and civil unrest started in 2012. Somehow you think you serve your party by being less than truthful about it.

FURTHER, you ducked the question, if we were to say that the civil war didn't start until full combat began in 2014, how does that change anything? Anything at all?

Repeating your talking points isn't an answer, it's cowardice.
 
The weapons provided by Europe are largely a loan. They expect to get paid back,

Paid back by who?

FURTHER, you ducked the question,
Dictators are fungible, one is the same as another.

You still haven't answered my question: When was Obama US President and when were the Ukraine elections?

Is it inconvenient for you that Zelensky became Ukraine's President when Trump was in power?
 
Seems like you understand how the loans work. That's progress. Anyhow, the banks acted under instruction from European governments, the money tends to have been stolen money (stolen by the Oligarchs) and the "rape" would stop if the rapist pulled his troops out of Ukraine.



The banks knew exactly what was going on. The governments as well. I recall a vacation to London in the mid 2000s. The Oligarchs were flocking to London buying up real estate. It was all in the news. The more progressive, activist kids of my folks there were aghast. The more liberal press as well. The UK banks were well aware that these were funds from the rape of Russia. That makes them party to the rape.

I wont be surprised same banks are today busy taking in billions from Ukrainian Oligarchs stealing the billions pouring in to purchase arms; or from their own proceeds from arms sales in the black ⚫️ market. Same old game. A win win, heads or tails. As long as Ukraine plays ball money is safe. If at anytime Ukraine misbehaves, the funds are pounced upon; the banks suddenly discovering they were ill begotten
 
The Europeans actually played it smart. Providing loans instead of grants, and dangling Eu membership in front of Zelensky gives the Eu powerful leverage over future Ukrainian behaviour. If Ukraine doesn't play ball the Europeans can tighten the screws. Senile Joe's free billions got the US no leverage
Im all for this. 1/2 the 2.3 billion euros are to boost Ukr own weapons making.. Europe and Ukraine can deal with their own war.
We need to get out now

 
When we all know things really wouldn't change at all.

Dictators are fungible, one is the same as another.

Again, if you want Zelensky to step down, simply allow them to join NATO.

What's it take to get rid of Putin? A trip to the 8th floor of a building? :rolleyes:
 
. Z did not get everything he wanted, however he never left empty handed. That's why he felt so confident acting like an ass when he met with Trump at the White House. He expected more of the same.



The sheer ingratitude is what is galling. Joe Biden had to push back once in a video call. Biden was going over what the US had come up with so far at the time for Ukraine when Zelensky cut in to hector Biden on his own list of what was needed. An angry Biden coldly asked him to show some gratitude
 
The banks knew exactly what was going on. The governments as well. I recall a vacation to London in the mid 2000s. The Oligarchs were flocking to London buying up real estate. It was all in the news. The more progressive, activist kids of my folks there were aghast. The more liberal press as well. The UK banks were well aware that these were funds from the rape of Russia. That makes them party to the rape.

I don't disagree any of that. Boris Johnson gave knighthoods to Oligarchs in return for their putting stolen money into London property.

If at anytime Ukraine misbehaves

Ukraine has its own Oligarchs too - mostly wanting to replace Zelensky and stop his anti-corruption drive. In Russia, the Oligarchs are quiet because they know Putin won't put up with them causing problems.
 
Im all for this. 1/2 the 2.3 billion euros are to boost Ukr own weapons making.. Europe and Ukraine can deal with their own war.
We need to get out now



"In March, the European Union said that half of a €2 billion ($2.3 billion) aid package, taken from frozen Russian assets, was being earmarked specifically to help Ukraine boost its own artillery production, the largest package of its kind to date."

I see nothing about a loan.
 
Putin has reiterated the Russian side's readiness for talks with Ukraine without preconditions at a meeting with Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff, Interfax news agency reported on Saturday, citing Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

Witkoff met Putin for three hours in Moscow on Friday to discuss the U.S. plan to end the war in Ukraine,
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Zelensky posted his account of his meeting with President Trump on Telegram, writing: “Good meeting. One-on-one, we managed to discuss a lot. We hope for a result from all the things that were spoken about.”
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French President Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, after a “very positive” exchange with Zelensky at the Vatican, that Ukraine was ready for an unconditional ceasefire and that the so-called “Coalition of the Willing” led by France and Britain would continue working on achieving that, as well as a lasting peace.
 
The sheer ingratitude is what is galling. Joe Biden had to push back once in a video call. Biden was going over what the US had come up with so far at the time for Ukraine when Zelensky cut in to hector Biden on his own list of what was needed. An angry Biden coldly asked him to show some gratitude
Z needed a cold dose of reality. now he's acting grateful . Neither him or Putin can be believed. I just posted a link where everyone is saying they are ready for talks.
Trump talked to Z -seemed pleased. Putin talked to Witkoff - the same. Macron talked to Z - the same..
But we've heard this SOS before
 
Putin has reiterated the Russian side's readiness for talks with Ukraine without preconditions at a meeting with Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff, Interfax news agency reported on Saturday, citing Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

Witkoff met Putin for three hours in Moscow on Friday to discuss the U.S. plan to end the war in Ukraine,
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Zelensky posted his account of his meeting with President Trump on Telegram, writing: “Good meeting. One-on-one, we managed to discuss a lot. We hope for a result from all the things that were spoken about.”
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French President Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, after a “very positive” exchange with Zelensky at the Vatican, that Ukraine was ready for an unconditional ceasefire and that the so-called “Coalition of the Willing” led by France and Britain would continue working on achieving that, as well as a lasting peace.


Zelensky is smart to work with Europe. It isn't on Putin's side.
 
Again, if you want Zelensky to step down, simply allow them to join NATO.

What's it take to get rid of Putin? A trip to the 8th floor of a building? :rolleyes:

Maybe we can put Vlad and Vlod in a ring with sharpened spoons, winner take all.

But then, democrats couldn't embezzle military aid from that, so would never go for it.
 
While the right-wingnuts keep bitching about what we've been giving Ukraine, it is worth remembering what we didn't give them, and should have, at virtually no cost to us other than shipping. During Bush the Lesser's profoundly stupid Iraq invasion and occupation, we continued to crank out M1-A1 Abrams tanks in staggering numbers, and that despite the fact that the Army said they didn't need them, we would never need them, and they were tired of getting billed for them! We have literally HUNDREDS of them, slowly rusting away in a field, and they will likely still be there drifting into further obsolescence for the next 3 or 4 generations! These are fully built, fully operational tanks that our own military have declared surplus, with no chance of ever being used. For those too lazy to read and learn the facts, then just look at the pictures!


And that's not even the only armored weaponry we could have gifted Ukraine. Hundreds of decommissioned Bradleys, hundreds of howitzers, and hundreds of APCs could have easily been provided Ukraine for nothing more than the cost of sending them there - and they still could be! We have such an overstock of surplus tanks, Bezos could probably sell them on Amazon .... if he could offer free shipping!
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The evil genie Putin can still be stuffed back into his bottle, if only the political will existed. More's the pity if we don't.
 
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