Is war becoming an acceptable policy in america?

[Oozlefinch]

Oozlefinch,
The al-Samoud II is NOT a WMD. It is a proscribed weapon, yes; but when it was used, it was not at proscribed ranges.

• No WMD Found.
• No WMD used.
• Case of a Ranged Missile YES.

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  I see. So is WikiLeaks lying?

 

[Catawba]

So why do people still simply parrot over and over that "none were found"?

Because that was the findings by the CIA and the Pentagon:

CIA/Pentagon: No WMD in Iraq

 

[presluc]

War should only be a last resort and this is war isn't necessary.Look at how many are being injured

"Yesterday’s deaths took the overall fatalities among US/ISAF troops this year to 692—479 of whom were Americans. Between 500 and 600 American troops are also being wounded in Afghanistan every month, many suffering horrifying injuries from roadside bombs."


Another massacre of civilians in Afghanistan


I don't want you to take this as personal critique if you're in the military. It begs an answer is a response from the policy makers, Obama, (NeoCon in liberal clothing) does this not prove its bad policy? The sacrifice too great for the soldiers as well as civillians?

Anyway, here is a video about the media and the war on terror ...[video=google;-3221571017565436923]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3221571017565436923#[/video]

“War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it.” George Orwell

Correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying War is too expensive for any nation to declare.eace

 

[presluc]

If you believe that lie, then I suggest you do a little research instead of believing what others tell you. Here, let me make it easy for you.

Let me google that for you

Let me google that for you

And I can provide you with a ton of other references if you like. Like this one, which describes the UN banning their newest missile, and Iraq claiming to have destroyed all of them. Only to use them in 2003 against US forces, and a dozen more found after the invasion.

Al-Samoud II - Iraq Special Weapons

Where do you the draw the line between Weapons of Mass Sestruction and missles and Scud missles.
Could not an 20 RPG's shot at the same target do just as much damage. or 50 lbs of Dynimite?

We are talking Smoking gun. Mushroom Cloud, here.

It was President George W. Bush that stated he recieved "BAD INTELLIGENCE" that led to the invasion of Iraq in 2003 not I.
It was President George W. Bush that raised the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED BANNER" not I.
How much have we paid Haliburtan in the reconstruction of Iraq while the economy of America struggles?
What of the 6 million dollars in American money that just came up missing?
Is this a necessary conflict?
What does America get from this?
A safer mideast, no Iran is right next door.
Cheaper oil NO NOT EVEN AFTER bUSH'S HISTORICAL SWORD DANCE FOR THE SHIEKS
A blow against the War on terror, whe're still there so uhh... NO
FIGHT THEM OVER THERE SO WE WON'T HAVE TO FIGHT THEM OVER HERE?
Uhh... Iraq is a land lock country.
So to repeat the question what does America get out of invading Iraq in 2003?eace

 

[presluc]

Actually, if you looked at the US budget, you would see that is not the case.

In 2011, the DoD was 19% of the budget, or $700 billion.

Social Security was 20% of the budget, or $725 billion.

Medicaid and Medicare was 23% of the budget, or $835 billion.

Amazing the things you discover when you do some research, and do not simply say over and over what other people tell you.

LOL, UHH... check your reserch a little closer there.

Social security is supposed to be a retirement fund the American workers paid into.
However how many times have politicians broke into the Social Security fund?
Question; Where does the money from Social Security go to?

Medicare as well as medicade has both suffered budget cuts as late as this year.
How many budget cuts has the DEFENCE BUDGET SUFFERED?
How many times in the last 11 years has the Defence budget been cut?.

Every Paycheck the American worker gets Social Security is taken out, a record is kept.
Income taxes that are paid into the Defence department ask for records it's TOP SECRET NEED TO KNOW.eace

 

[RoccoR]

Oozlefinch, et al,

Not exactly.

I see. So is WikiLeaks lying?

(COMMENT)

You have to understand that most of the material exposed by WikiLeaks is unrefined. It is all at the SECRET level (Level-3 and below) (non-compartmented meaning non-SCI) information. It was all off of the SIPR Net. Many of the non-DOS Cables were spot reports, initial information that was sent without the benefit of evaluation. WikiLeaks is not lying, it is an unauthorized release of information that (for the most part) is not evaluated information.

I was working in one of the major Theater Level OPCENs during the period. I remember numerous time when initial reports of WMD came-in; only to discover, on closer inspection, that it was not (false positive).

One of the biggest jokes was the (so-call) discovery of the Bio-Vans. It turns out, on closer inspection, that they were not the mobile WMD labs that the defector had described years before; and that Secretary Powell discussed with the Security Council. In fact one was newly completed and the other was only partially completed. The data plates on some of the components showed dates of manufacturer after SECSTATE Powell made the famous UN WMD presentation.

Believe me when I say, that if we had discovered anything even remotely vindicating the White House, and their Intelligence on the fantastic claims made during the lead-up to the invasion, we - would - have - shouted -it - out - loud! There would have been a full display setup on the Smithsonian Mall. Believe me when I say, that the Intelligence Community would have held nothing back. But there was nothing to find of any consequence.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Jango]

War, or Military Intervention, has always been popular in the United States because of the military-industrial complex, as well, many other things, like "protecting vital interests", stopping Communism, and spreading our own 'ism'. So yes, it is acceptable.

 

[presluc]

War, or Military Intervention, has always been popular in the United States because of the military-industrial complex, as well, many other things, like "protecting vital interests", stopping Communism, and spreading our own 'ism'. So yes, it is acceptable.

Perhaps I should rephrase that.

Should WAR " not in the defencive manner but just WAR" be an acceptable policy of all nations in the world?eace

 

[Misterveritis]

Because that was the findings by the CIA and the Pentagon:

CIA/Pentagon: No WMD in Iraq

Do you believe that it matters?

 

[Catawba]

Do you believe that it matters?

That we went to war and wasted hundreds of thousands of lives and two trillion dollars, based on a lie???? You're damn straight it matters!

 

[Misterveritis]

That we went to war and wasted hundreds of thousands of lives and two trillion dollars, based on a lie???? You're damn straight it matters!

You tell all when you believe that this was a lie.

It matters a great deal to the Iraqis that are free. Or maybe only more free than they were.

We most likely would not have executed Gulf War II had we been convinced that Saddam Hussein did not have or was not pursuing weapons of mass destruction. Personally I like WMD. They make the world safe for conventional wars.

Four question marks does not a fact make.

 

[Catawba]

You tell all when you believe that this was a lie.

It matters a great deal to the Iraqis that are free. Or maybe only more free than they were.

We most likely would not have executed Gulf War II had we been convinced that Saddam Hussein did not have or was not pursuing weapons of mass destruction. Personally I like WMD. They make the world safe for conventional wars.

Four question marks does not a fact make.

Please tell me where the WMDs are that you found that the CIA and the Pentagon were unable to find???

Evidently you are waaaaaaaay more loyal to fighting wars on behalf of big oil than myself.

 

[Jango]

Well, Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction, just not nuclear ones, as chemical and biological weapons fit underneath that moniker. Everyone knew he had those weapons, especially the United States, whom sold them to him back in the 80s when Iraq was fighting Iran. So at any rate, the entirety of the CIA's findings were nothing more than a messed up pile of garbage, which isn't too surprising given their history of mix-ups and failures.

 

[Catawba]

Well, Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction, just not nuclear ones, as chemical and biological weapons fit underneath that moniker. Everyone knew he had those weapons, especially the United States, whom sold them to him back in the 80s when Iraq was fighting Iran. So at any rate, the entirety of the CIA's findings were nothing more than a messed up pile of garbage, which isn't too surprising given their history of mix-ups and failures.

Well thanks for your unsubstantiated opinion there, anonymous internet guy! I think I am going to go with the folks that actively searched for such weapons and never found them. Sorry!

 

[Jango]

Perhaps I should rephrase that.

Should WAR " not in the defencive manner but just WAR" be an acceptable policy of all nations in the world?eace

You mean waging War without any indiscriminate reason other than waging War?

 

[Jango]

Well thanks for your unsubstantiated opinion there, anonymous internet guy! I think I am going to go with the folks that actively searched for such weapons and never found them. Sorry!

Unsubstantiated (lol) opinion? You doubt that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction (non-nuclear) when the CIA and the Pentagon launched their investigations? Besides, they were looking for the 'big one', not the ones they knew he already had, of which, had US components and stickers.

 

[Catawba]

Unsubstantiated (lol) opinion? You doubt that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction (non-nuclear) when the CIA and the Pentagon launched their investigations? Besides, they were looking for the 'big one', not the ones they knew he already had, of which, had US components and stickers.

I really have no interest in your delusions. Bush and Rumsfeld have both admitted there was no WMD:

In their own words:

 

[presluc]

You mean waging War without any indiscriminate reason other than waging War?

Yes, in other word is WAR an acceptable way of doing business not just for one nation but for all nations?

For indeed if this is true, there would be no bad countries , no good countries, no bad leaders , no good leaders , just an acceptable way of doing business.eace

 

[Kane]

War should only be a last resort and this is war isn't necessary.Look at how many are being injured

"Yesterday’s deaths took the overall fatalities among US/ISAF troops this year to 692—479 of whom were Americans. Between 500 and 600 American troops are also being wounded in Afghanistan every month, many suffering horrifying injuries from roadside bombs."


Another massacre of civilians in Afghanistan


I don't want you to take this as personal critique if you're in the military. It begs an answer is a response from the policy makers, Obama, (NeoCon in liberal clothing) does this not prove its bad policy? The sacrifice too great for the soldiers as well as civillians?

Anyway, here is a video about the media and the war on terror ...[video=google;-3221571017565436923]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3221571017565436923#[/video]

“War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it.” George Orwell

Correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying War is too expensive for any nation to declare.eace

Sorry it took so long, but I thought that was a statement. Add punctuation next time.

I'm saying war is amoral and obsolete. WWII was called "the war to end all wars." WWI was "the Great War." **** war. Its a deacadent mode of thinking executed by mostly dead headed Senators and industrialists, who won't die or retire. ****ing Kissinger was giving orders to Natnl Sec. Adviser, Jim Jones, in Obamas cabinet for Christs sake. That senile old murdering bastard! If we young people ruled, this war bull**** would be outmoded policy, and these old war making people would be jailed.

 

[Misterveritis]

Please tell me where the WMDs are that you found that the CIA and the Pentagon were unable to find???

Evidently you are waaaaaaaay more loyal to fighting wars on behalf of big oil than myself.

I know that you are not a kook. Well, I think that you are not a kook.

Well, you might be.

Why do you believe it is a lie as opposed to a mere mistake?

Why do you believe the war to create a regime change, was fought for the benefit of big oil? Would it have been more paletable if it had been fought for big education or big unions or big government?

 

[Misterveritis]

I really have no interest in your delusions. Bush and Rumsfeld have both admitted there was no WMD:

In their own words:

Yeah? Therefore what?

 

[Misterveritis]

Sorry it took so long, but I thought that was a statement. Add punctuation next time.

I'm saying war is amoral and obsolete. WWII was called "the war to end all wars." WWI was "the Great War." **** war. Its a deacadent mode of thinking executed by mostly dead headed Senators and industrialists, who won't die or retire. ****ing Kissinger was giving orders to Natnl Sec. Adviser, Jim Jones, in Obamas cabinet for Christs sake. That senile old murdering bastard! If we young people ruled, this war bull**** would be outmoded policy, and these old war making people would be jailed.

Only the dead have seen an end of war. (sometimes attributed to Plato. Really MacArthur).

 

[RoccoR]

Misterveritis, et al,

Not everone agrees, BUT --->

Yeah? Therefore what?

(COMMENT)

We should look at and seriously examine what we are, what we did, and where it got us; learn from our mistakes. The first step in learning from our mistakes is understanding what we did wrong.

Of course, their are those that believe the US never makes a mistake and therefore have no lesson to learn from.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[kenvin]

We shouldn't start another war we won't win.

 

[Catawba]

Yeah? Therefore what?

Therefore the truth has already been admitted.