Is Trump handing LA effectively?

[OlNate]

A simple poll, to capture a moment in time.

The question is not whether it's good or bad, sane or insane, lawful or unlawful, only whether or not Trump's response to what's happening in LA right now is the most effective response.

My personal opinion is that this is not an effective response, but rather serves to reinforce the concerns around incompetent tyranny, and pretty much guarantees escalation. Furthermore, it gives his detractors more ammunition the further it escalates.

What do you guys think?

 

[Stealers Wheel]

The whole point of bringing in the Marines is to escalate the tension. Eventually, it will reach critical mass, something will spark a violent clash, and that will be used to implement martial law. From that point, public protests will be outlawed and dealt with severely.

 

[ataraxia]

Politically, yes. Practically, no.

Which is paradigmatic of his governing style.

 

[Mycroft]

Other.

To date, federal actions have not focused on "handling LA". They've focused on protecting federal infrastructure and personnel and that has been very effective. The rioters have pretty much moved away from the federal buildings.

Further action WILL focus on "LA", but that is being dealt with mostly by CA law enforcement...albeit, very badly. CA law enforcement is getting their asses kick, but that will change when more federal troops come online to help deal with the violent protesters who are disrupting the city, burning and looting.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[j brown's body]

It is effective in intimidating some people and angering others.

From that standpoint it's effective.

But it isn't very effective in capturing undocumented immigrants,.

All this chaos and cruelty for less than 120 arrests involving some people who have a legal path to being here doesn't seem particularly effective.

 

[j brown's body]

Other.

To date, federal actions have not focused on "handling LA". They've focused on protecting federal infrastructure and personnel and that has been very effective. The rioters have pretty much moved away from the federal buildings.

Further action WILL focus on "LA", but that is being dealt with mostly by CA law enforcement...albeit, very badly. CA law enforcement is getting their asses kick, but that will change when more federal troops come online to help deal with the violent protesters who are disrupting the city, burning and looting.

It's almost like attacking the city to deport undocumented immigrants, which is now virtually forgotten, as a pretext for militarily occupying an American city.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

It is effective in intimidating some people and angering others.

From that standpoint it's effective.

But it isn't very effective in capturing undocumented immigrants,.

All this chaos and cruelty for less than 120 arrests involving some people who have a legal path to being here doesn't seem particularly effective.

It is all pretense and prelude to what comes next.

. . . that will change when more federal troops come online to help . . .

As @Mycroft wrote, this is not the end, but only the beginning of the plan.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Other. The use of military/NG to protect federal buildings, from ‘mostly peaceful’ protestors, frees up state/local LEOs to deal with crime in other places. IIRC, those objecting loudest to this situation called for the use of military/NG to protect the US Capitol on 1/6/2021.

 

[Callen]

Trump isn't "handling " LA, he isnt handling nothing. Several 100 NG are standing behind LAPD doing nothing while several thousand NG sleep on concrete, with no accommodations doing nothing. LAPD is handling things and if last night is an example handling it quite well.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/california/article/national-guard-california-photos-20368334.php

 

[Artymoon]

I don't know what a good response looks like. The states have agreed to allow the Federal government to handle certain things and if the citizenry in a given state is willing to create violence and mayhem to thwart the carrying out of enforcement, then what is the Federal gov't to do? Let the state do what it wants and try to enforce laws elsewhere? This is why I believe the people who are organizing this "resistance" are hoping for violence so they can get something akin to Jan 6th. If a few people have to die in the process than that is an acceptable outcome.

 

[Mycroft]

It is all pretense and prelude to what comes next.


As @Mycroft wrote, this is not the end, but only the beginning of the plan.

This is not the end of the riots, but only the beginning. The looting is now starting.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

A simple poll, to capture a moment in time.

The question is not whether it's good or bad, sane or insane, lawful or unlawful, only whether or not Trump's response to what's happening in LA right now is the most effective response.

My personal opinion is that this is not an effective response, but rather serves to reinforce the concerns around incompetent tyranny, and pretty much guarantees escalation. Furthermore, it gives his detractors more ammunition the further it escalates.

What do you guys think?

Hi OINate,

I voted: 'No'.

I think the military and all its shapes and forms is reserved for foreign conflicts. Not for domestic conflicts. Most countries have riot police for exactly this. I am not sure if you have this. Either way, I think Trump will eventually concede and not use the military for this purpose anymore. However, he will provide additional means to those who will enforce it. Because he will still try to get what he wants one way or the other.

You remember Bush? Remember what the democrats and much of the rest of the world thought of him? How we wish he was the President now... I strongly disagreed with him on many occasions, but at least I always had the feeling that he was a genuinely nice guy, and on many occasions he really made me laugh. Now with Trump, I can honestly not find a single nice thing to say about him. Both personally and professionally. As for those oh-so-important laughs, with Trump, I only laugh at him, mostly when he blatantly displays the sheer stupidity he embodies.


Joey

 

[Mycroft]

Trump isn't "handling " LA, he isnt handling nothing. Several 100 NG are standing behind LAPD doing nothing while several thousand NG sleep on concrete, with no accommodations doing nothing. LAPD is handling things and if last night is an example handling it quite well.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/california/article/national-guard-california-photos-20368334.php

“Oh my God, this is horrible,” said Assembly Member Pilar Schiavo, D-Chatsworth, when a Chronicle reporter showed her the photos. “That’s incredibly shocking and concerning.”​

Nonsense. I've survived much worse during my time in the US Army.

 

[ataraxia]

I don't know what a good response looks like. The states have agreed to allow the Federal government to handle certain things and if the citizenry in a given state is willing to create violence and mayhem to thwart the carrying out of enforcement, then what is the Federal gov't to do? Let the state do what it wants and try to enforce laws elsewhere? This is why I believe the people who are organizing this "resistance" are hoping for violence so they can get something akin to Jan 6th. If a few people have to die in the process than that is an acceptable outcome.

If there are protests turning violet, the governor of the state is responsible for addressing it. The people of the state look to their elected governor first to get it under control. Only if the governor feels they’re being overwhelmed, then they can ask for federal help.

Bringing in the Marines by the president of the United States, you serving the governor’s authority, at the drop of a hat for any protest, is an act of fascism by the federal government, and a deliberate provocation. The only person itching for a fight is Donald Trump.

He may get it. This may spread to multiple other cities now- and at this point they have nothing to do with immigration, but standing up to a dangerous bully. Donald Trump has made it about much more than just immigration.

 

[DCCougar]

Is Trump handing LA effectively?​

You forgot the choice:

• No, because it's ****ing illegal.

 

[DCCougar]

The question is not whether it's good or bad, sane or insane, lawful or unlawful, only whether or not Trump's response to what's happening in LA right now is the most effective response.

You mean, Do the ends justify the means?

 

[DCCougar]

I don't know what a good response looks like. The states have agreed to allow the Federal government to handle certain things and if the citizenry in a given state is willing to create violence and mayhem to thwart the carrying out of enforcement, then what is the Federal gov't to do? Let the state do what it wants and try to enforce laws elsewhere? This is why I believe the people who are organizing this "resistance" are hoping for violence so they can get something akin to Jan 6th. If a few people have to die in the process than that is an acceptable outcome.

With thinking like this, the US is doomed. Who would want to live in a country where there are people who think like this?

 

[pragmatic]

A simple poll, to capture a moment in time.

The question is not whether it's good or bad, sane or insane, lawful or unlawful, only whether or not Trump's response to what's happening in LA right now is the most effective response.

My personal opinion is that this is not an effective response, but rather serves to reinforce the concerns around incompetent tyranny, and pretty much guarantees escalation. Furthermore, it gives his detractors more ammunition the further it escalates.

What do you guys think?

1. Are National Guard needed to quell the protests in LA? Dunno. Time will tell.

2. Is Trump behaving like a childish, pompous jackass with his public comments and bloviating? Yes. Absolutely.

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[JoeyJoystick]

It's almost like attacking the city to deport undocumented immigrants, which is now virtually forgotten, as a pretext for militarily occupying an American city.

Hi J,

I think this spells trouble. Because he knows he will loose votes because of this, he also knows he has to solidify his power before the next election. And there is your trouble...

The weird thing is with him; I think he genuinely does not like war. I don't think he does not like it because he actually cares about people, but simply because it is a level of chaos over which he has too little control, other than bigger bombs. And I am saying that because he is now clearly showing that he is not shy to use violence. On his own people may I add. And he can do so and dares to do so because he can get away with it. He is showing now that the SC has said that he has a level of immunity that he thinks makes him untouchable. He is quickly becoming a very dangerous man. I am now starting to think that he will not shy away from war for much longer when:

- the elections are closing in and his term is slowly coming to an end.
- he thinks he can manage the fall-out and thinks it will benefit him.


Joey

 

[BirdinHand]

This is all unnecessary

 

[Artymoon]

If there are protests, turning violet, the governor of the state is responsible for fixing it. The people of that state look to them to get it under control. Only if the governor feels, they’re being overwhelmed, they can ask for federal help.

Bringing in the Marines at the drop of a hat for any protest is a statement of fascism by the federal government, and a deliberate provocation. The only person itching for a fight is Donald Trump. He may get it. This may spread to multiple other cities now- and they have nothing to do with immigration, but standing up to a bully. Donald Trump has made it about much more than just immigration.

Again, I don't know what a good response looks like but these are not protests. This is organized violence, destruction of property and looting and is fast on its way to 1992. Obviously, the state powers that be are not able or willing to quell these riots. I feel sorry for people who live in California.

 

[ttwtt78640]

With thinking like this, the US is doomed. Who would want to live in a country where there are people who think like this?

The US would be ‘doomed’ if (when?) states/cities decided that enforcement of certain federal laws shouldn’t occur within their borders.

It didn’t take a loon like Newsom long to decide that CA residents should be exempt from paying FIT if their ‘sanctuary’ status from federal immigration law enforcement wasn’t respected.

 

[Artymoon]

With thinking like this, the US is doomed. Who would want to live in a country where there are people who think like this?

Lol. Where have you been the last 10yrs?

 

[OlNate]

I don't know what a good response looks like. The states have agreed to allow the Federal government to handle certain things and if the citizenry in a given state is willing to create violence and mayhem to thwart the carrying out of enforcement, then what is the Federal gov't to do? Let the state do what it wants and try to enforce laws elsewhere? This is why I believe the people who are organizing this "resistance" are hoping for violence so they can get something akin to Jan 6th. If a few people have to die in the process than that is an acceptable outcome.

A lot of reporting has suggested that the same footage is being used over and over again to create the perception of a much bigger event than is actually happening. Given that both the mayor and the governor have both said they do not require this "help", that it is only making the situation more volatile, it would appear that while an "easy" solution may not be available, this particular "solution" is going to make things worse. Are there not opportunities to change the methodology of ICE to where they are not looked at as storm troopers? I'm sure narratives can be exaggerated, but if there's nothing to build the narrative off of in the first place, doesn't that limit the possibility of exaggeration?

Or was this response to the "mass deportation" goal inevitable, given how interwoven illegal immigrants are into America's fabric, no matter how it was carried out?